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Tanypteryx
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Message 256 of 995 (892541)
03-09-2022 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by PaulK
03-09-2022 12:59 PM


Re: Stalinist of course
LNA and Trump worship Putin and Stalin in the same sick way. It all snaps together like Legos, No surprises there.

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Message 257 of 995 (892542)
03-09-2022 7:25 PM
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03-09-2022 7:15 PM


Re: Stalinist of course
One period source I always found worth reading though are the writing of Leon Trotsky. The man made very progressive and liberal arguments that still resonate even today. Which might be why he ended up assassinated in Mexico.

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Message 258 of 995 (892546)
03-09-2022 8:08 PM
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03-08-2022 9:37 PM


Re: LNA Unplugged?
Well we do know that the Capitalist Rebublic known as the USA killed fewer people than did Red Russia. (Soviet Union)
So what do you have against "white" capitalists?
Ukraine is in an area frequented by the Tsars who were against Communism.
So what's so good about Communism?
Putin id not anticipate that most of Ukraine wants him to get lost.
So why do global communists (according to you) vote otherwise?

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(1894).


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Phat
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Message 259 of 995 (892547)
03-09-2022 8:10 PM
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03-09-2022 7:25 PM


Re: Stalinist of course
The man made very progressive and liberal arguments that still resonate even today.
You and I are better off under the current system.
And I think I know your counter-argument. If the US focused more on building up other nations and more butter than guns, we would be better off.
If it had been Trotsky rather than Stalin, would more people be alive today? Would there even be a war in the Ukraine?
Joseph McCarthy wants to know. Is the Eisenhower Republican from Deep South Texas a closet Communist?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

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“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 260 of 995 (892548)
03-09-2022 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by Phat
03-09-2022 8:08 PM


Re: LNA Unplugged?
I am a "Marxist" in name only.
My land appropriation (if it is even that) is a fantasy.
And my land policies have nothing to do with Marxism.
(They might dovetail, however)
You might not have been born, if not for Stalin. I was born in 1977. I doubt I would have been born, if not for Stalin. Aside from metaphysical theories, we would all have failed to come to be, if not for Stalin.
I am a "Marxist forever", just because I existed from 1977 to 2022. My existence cannot be taken away, no matter how hard somebody - NOW - trys.
Roadbumps, like Finland, were driven over
But, today:
Will the ANC even accomplish its weak land-reform policies?
Winnie Mandela hates how her husband made an honor-bound agreement to drop Marxist land-policy from the ANC platform.
The ANC is a watered-down party, but right-wingers still don't feel like he has compromised enough.
(Read the EvC posts for proof of that)

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Message 261 of 995 (892549)
03-09-2022 8:44 PM
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03-09-2022 8:10 PM


Re: Stalinist of course
Communism is certainly far more Christian than Capitalism.
But first stop and actually do what you never seem to have done, read what is written.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 262 of 995 (892585)
03-10-2022 8:00 PM


A good article, on Russia/Ukraine, in The Week, by Grayson Quay.
One of my favorite publications is The Week.
This article explains why Ukraine should accept Russias negotiation points.
One major point is to stay out of NATO.
Finland and Austria were neutral, in the Cold War, and were free and prosperous.

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Message 263 of 995 (892593)
03-10-2022 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by LamarkNewAge
03-10-2022 8:00 PM


Expand NATO
One major point is to stay out of NATO.
Now the remaining free nations around Russia see why NATO is necessary. Russia breeds autocrats regardless of political system imposed. Though the nations of the world had hopes for a generation or so, it was not to be. Russia is tyrannical again. Only this Tzar is holding a nuke above his head as he claws at your face.
Unlike any nuke scare in the past this Tzar has no politburo to temper his anger.
LNA, your heart throb, Tzar Vladimir the Condemned, is a clear and present danger to the world. He needs to be taken out.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 264 of 995 (892596)
03-10-2022 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by AZPaul3
03-10-2022 9:45 PM


Re: Expand NATO
Condemned by 73% of the world!
ABE: I just passed 3000 posts...whoop-dee-doo!
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 265 of 995 (892599)
03-10-2022 10:35 PM
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03-10-2022 9:45 PM


Re: Expand NATO
What on earth would you disagree with any white monarchs over?
You never answer.
Just pull a Theodoric, and claim that all oppressed minorities (Black,Jewish, African, etc.) are ignorant and brainwashed.
It is all Russian "disinformation", right?
The Tsars are victims of 100 years of "Russian disinformation", right?
You have a thin shell that says "Tsar is bad", and you can easily spew it since the Tsars arent around.
Your policies are pro-Tsar, and anti-post-Tsar Russia.
(Theodoric claimed to be pro-black South African, while siding with the segregationists)

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Message 266 of 995 (892600)
03-10-2022 10:35 PM
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03-10-2022 8:00 PM


Re: A good article, on Russia/Ukraine, in The Week, by Grayson Quay.
Finland and Austria were neutral, in the Cold War, and were free and prosperous.
This statement is meaningless as the NATO nations were free and prosperous during the cold war.
As a matter of fact ex-Warsaw Pact nations and ex-SSR's that are now part of NATO are freer and more prosperous now than they were during the Cold War.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 267 of 995 (892601)
03-10-2022 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by LamarkNewAge
03-10-2022 10:35 PM


Re: Expand NATO
Please stop lying about me. If you lie about what I say again I will make a formal request to have you suspended.
You shouldn't make a claim about someone that you know nothing about. I venture to guess I may know more about ethnic and racial discrimination than you do.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 268 of 995 (892602)
03-10-2022 10:47 PM


Washington Post reports only 56% of Ukranians oppose ban on joining NATO to end war!
It is a brand new poll of Ukranians.
It excludes the residents of the breakaway regions in the east, which strongly support the ban on NATO membership.
So, it is a poll of the most Pro NATO Ukranians.
30% support a ban on NATO NATO membership to end the war.
56% oppose ban.
I see room for Ukraine to give Russia some genuine assurances for peace.

  
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Message 269 of 995 (892605)
03-10-2022 11:01 PM
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03-10-2022 10:40 PM


Re: Expand NATO
So, you aren't lying when you present black South Africans as people tricked by disinformation?
You arent lying when you claim you are smart, and ANC voters are brainwashed?
(I feel South Africans, of all races, are the most informed people on earth)
(I happen to be very disturbed by the views of the white South Africans, though)

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AZPaul3
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Message 270 of 995 (892607)
03-10-2022 11:27 PM
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03-10-2022 10:35 PM


Re: Expand NATO
It is all Russian "disinformation", right?
You are, yes. And your deflection and projection won't help you.
The whole world was and is watching.
Tzar Vladimir the Condemned is a psychopathic pariah. The blood monster of the 21st century. He needs to be put down.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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