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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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A lightbub came on in my head! (Could be a lyric for a song)
Edited by Tanypteryx, : had to correct the spelling of lightbubWhat if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
What is evolution? Simply put, evolution is non-intentional change in biological world. This is wrong!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
had to correct the spelling of lightbub And I note you still didn't get it right. I'm not the only one having fun here this morning. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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My best friend used to live in Alabama and he said that everyone there said lightbub...and Farfly. And English is my 1st language...
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Oh god, I am so slow sometimes.
You spelled it right to begin with then had to go back and correct it. Now I understand.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Context is everything.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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jar Member (Idle past 139 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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And pot plants is two different things depending on whether your in California or Georgia.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 896 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
If you're willing to postulate that all these miraculous creations are being done year after year for millions, billions of years, then that will indeed explain everything.
HOWEVER, the same can be said of the explanation that the universe was created January first of this year, with memories implanted in all our minds to make us think that there had once been (for example) Mao Tse-Tung, Mansa Musa, Metternich and Michael Jackson. But it doesn't make sense to believe that the universe was created January first. Just as your sequence of zillions of miraculous creations makes no sense. Especially since scientists have actually observed new species evolving over time. - A new species of Buffalo grass evolved that can tolerate soil contaminated with mine tailings.(go to page 2 of http://education.nationalgeographic.com/...opedia/speciation) - The worm Nereis acuminata (JSTOR: Access Check) - Madeira island house mice Speciation: more evidence ignored by intelligent design | Nondiscovery Blogand Are new species still evolving? › Ask an Expert (ABC Science)) - A flower called the "American goatsbeard" (Evolution: Watching Speciation Occur | Observations - Scientific American Blog Network) Do a web search on "examples of observed speciation" to find more examples, if you like.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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You have yet to answer.
Again, I’ve got this thing. How do I tell using you new IDv2 if it is created or natural? What is the first step? There has to be an initial step in any process. What is yours? It really is a simple question. Thing … created or natural? What is IDv2’s first move?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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ringo Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes:
Changing the subject. What is IDv2’s first move?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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MrIntelligentDesign Member (Idle past 608 days) Posts: 248 Joined: |
Again, I’ve got this thing. How do I tell using you new IDv2 if it is created or natural?
ANSWER: Use the Universal Boundary Line (UBL) from the new ID. What is the first step? There has to be an initial step in any process. What is yours?ANSWER: I do not know the "thing = X", so the only tool for categorization of the "thing = X" is your basic sensory systems. Then, look for any features (X') on that X resembled similar to human design, since humans always compare all X to humans made X. Start from that, then, as you dig further about X, you can just eliminate all human-made-error of X' that you have listed, In the UBL, it states that if intellen, then, you could find two or more supports/features (X') to that X. If not, if naturen, the X' will become 1, the X is natural (non-intelligently designed).
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WookieeB Member Posts: 191 Joined: |
I still cannot understand anything MrID is talking about. He needs to define his terms before he starts using them.
@MrID - What is "naturen" and "intellen"? Those are not English words. I realize "naturen" is a non-english word (meaning: Nature), but if you are explaining in English, just use the English word. What is the categorization you are trying to make? And how are you defining "Design"? And what is all this referencing of "X" you are doing. You are not being consistent. ---As for the old-ID, I do not see a problem with it. So I was curious to see the following list, and would like to see an how this is actual, instead of the strawman it appears to be. ID's failure to take into account naturally occurring complexity by trying to equate complexity with "design" even though naturally occurring complexity is so much more complex than designed complexity could ever hope to be. That would also include how the most common characteristic of a product of evolutionary processes is high levels of complexity, such that if you find something in nature that is highly complex then that is evidence that it had evolved.
ID's fatal confusion of science's practice of methodological materialism ("We are incapable of working with the supernatural, so we do not include it.") with philosophical materialism ("The natural universe is all there is."). ID's political and social agenda to transform science by forcing it to include the supernatural. Their motivation in pushing that travesty comes from the previous point in which they are unable to understand how science works. ID having to always resort to explaining everything away with "God Did It" (AKA "goddidit"). More specifically, they point out how highly complex something is such that they have difficulty explaining it completely, so they jump to their go-to "conclusion" of "goddidit". Of course, that "answer" not only answers nothing at all, but it also blocks any further investigation of that question. As we discussed in my topic, So Just How is ID's Supernatural-based Science Supposed to Work? (SUM. MESSAGES ONLY), "goddidit" effectively kills science. ID's worship of the God of the Gaps. This view argues that finding natural explanations for things works to disprove God, which would mean that our inability to explain something works to prove God. That would lead to an agenda which strives to preserve ignorance and to impede the growth of knowledge. Note that this worship of the God of the Gaps is also quite common among YECs.
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nwr Member Posts: 6488 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined:
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I still cannot understand anything MrID is talking about. He needs to define his terms before he starts using them.
That fair. He doesn't understand it either.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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PaulK Member Posts: 17998 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
It’s not great but it seems a lot better than most of his output.
If ID is so great why is the little science done by ID people so devoted to trying to knock holes in evolutionary theory. Why hasn’t ID produced a positive theory to replace evolution ? You can’t really think that a movement that embraces everything from Young Earth Creationism to evolution but with God occasionally throwing useful mutations into the mix is actually going anywhere.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
ANSWER: Use the Universal Boundary Line (UBL) from the new ID. Fine. What is that? How do I use that? What do I do?
ANSWER: I do not know the "thing = X", so the only tool for categorization of the "thing = X" is your basic sensory systems. Then, look for any features (X') on that X resembled similar to human design, since humans always compare all X to humans made X. Start from that, then, as you dig further about X, you can just eliminate all human-made-error of X' that you have listed, In the UBL, it states that if intellen, then, you could find two or more supports/features (X') to that X. If not, if naturen, the X' will become 1, the X is natural (non-intelligently designed). So your new ID2.0 system is to look at the thing and see if there are any obvious signs of design. Like what? What attributes would be seen as ‘designed’ versus what attributes would be seen as ‘not designed’? Is it all your personal feeling or is there a rigorous set of rules like in a real science hypothesis? And what’s this human made error stuff? An error in what? What does that look like? How would I recognize an error? I’m not getting anywhere. Your write-up is no help.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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