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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How positive are we that we can take out ALL of the Russian Boomers before responding on land?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
What would/should be the West's response? Wow. No idea. Do nothing and let him pop another.NATO pops one, similar target, similar yield. Incinerate Moscow. What else? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I have no idea but I fear we are close to finding out. Not responding decisively is not an option.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
How positive are we that we can take out ALL of the Russian Boomers before responding on land? It seems highly unlikely to me that we can take out any Russian nukes. U.S weapon systems are notorious for malfunctions as the electronic sophistication increases. There is a reason the Webb Space Telescope has functioned flawlessly. Ten billion dollars and 20 years planning and hand building it. Testing every single component thousands of times. No one (that can do anything) on the planet is interested in saving everything we care about from nuclear anhelation. Reagan started selling that myth (Star Wars, a fictional program designed after a fiction story) in the 80s and the republicans have carried the ball ever since all the while whittling away at any inspectors and regulations to ensure the U.S. military gets what it's paying for. ABE: I also wanted to mention the serious breaches of security at the Pentagon in 2015 and then for an undetected long term intrusion during Trump. Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Exactly.
If the Russians decide to use any nuclear weapons the only possible response we could make that is not suicidal is to respond only with conventional weapons. And even that might well be suicidal.My Website: My Website
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
I'd say the opposite - not responding decisively is the only option. It's what our governments do. Not responding decisively is not an option. "Support for Ukraine" is mostly lip-service. In the end, Ukraine is not as important to us as our own security. We won't do anything risky."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Retired General Wesley Clark thinks we either face the devil now or face him later in a much worse situation.
quote: The time to arm Ukraine is right now: Crucial window for Kyiv and the worldWhat can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Retired General Wesley Clark thinks we either face the devil now or face him later in a much worse situation. I remember listening to him talking about international relations and military stuff and to me, he always seemed rational and reasonable. Look at the world and this situation the way it really is right now, not as some delusional nutjobs want to pretend it is. I sure don't envy any of the final decision makers in these perilous times, and I continue to be puzzled why anyone would seek those positions. On a brighter note, I saw on this morning's news that humans are being impregnated by aliens.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
That's what they said in 1936 and 1938. We wound up facing the devil from 1939 to 1945 (that's 1941 to 1945 to you). Retired General Wesley Clark thinks we either face the devil now or face him later in a much worse situation. But there was another string of devils lined up behind him.
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But it won't be. We know that, don't we? Strengthening Ukraine — giving it the tools it needs to secure its own territory — must be the first order of business for the United States and our NATO allies."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: In the end, Ukraine is not as important to us as our own security. We won't do anything risky. This is why most Christians would never give it all up. We are as human as you and the rest of the governments. Quit trying to preach us into a corner and expect us to do what you won't do."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Why is everything about christian "persecution" to you? The only people persecuting christians seem to be other christians.
Edited by Theodoric, : PunctuationWhat can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You're not supposed to be. You're supposed to be separate from "the world". Your faith in God is supposed to raise you above the weaknesses of us heathens. ringo writes:
This is why most Christians would never give it all up. We are as human as you and the rest of the governments. In the end, Ukraine is not as important to us as our own security. We won't do anything risky. Otherwise, what's the point of Christianity? Just saving your own skin from your own God's wrath? It's funny how you brag about your "changed life" when it suits you and also fall back on being "only human" when it suits you.
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You keep confusing me with Jesus. I just look like Him. I wasn't even born in a barn. Quit trying to preach us into a corner and expect us to do what you won't do. It was Jesus who told you to give everything up and follow Him. He didn't tell me because He doesn't exist."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
I've been saying this for over a month. Ukraine is essential to the safety and security of western democracy - we cannot let it fall or be divided. The Russian military is not a clown car. NATO is not some invincible force that could roll over Russia if provoked. Not keeping Ukraine free and whole will inform China's behavior as it seeks to reabsorb Taiwan.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
ringo writes: Theodoric writes:
That's what they said in 1936 and 1938. We wound up facing the devil from 1939 to 1945 (that's 1941 to 1945 to you). Retired General Wesley Clark thinks we either face the devil now or face him later in a much worse situation. I've been likening recent events to those leading up to WWII for a month now, including about the appeasers. The limp aid western democracies are providing to Ukraine is like fighting with one hand tied behind our back, fearful that bringing out the other hand will provoke the Russian bear. If we don't want eastern Europe to devolve back into the evil empire then we had better become seriously involved. Just as Franklin Roosevelt had to let time and circumstances convince the American people that Europe's war was our war too, something has to somehow convince the Biden administration that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is also our war. If Ukraine falls we'll regret it, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of our life. That means a heap more military (and humanitarian) aid, and US and NATO men and materiel on the ground in Ukraine. --Percy PS: Hey, how about those sanctions, huh! If someone tells me I'm beating a dead horse about the ineffectiveness of the sanctions I'll stop, but until then I'll keep sounding the alarm. One significant indication of the ineffectiveness of our sanctions is that we left 200 Russian banks unsanctioned, more than enough to conduct business with the rest of the world, some of whose largest economies like China, India, Brazil, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia (all in the top 20) are, to varying degrees, ignoring the sanctions and/or continuing to seek out business with Russia. Plus the sanctions are as leaky as a colander. Take the sanctions on military technology. In no time those Russian jets will be grounded because they can't get chips for replacement parts. Except western chip manufacturers still want to sell their chips. Hey, what luck, Brazil will buy our chips. Yes, they promise they're not selling them to Russia, and they also have a bridge they want to sell you.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Percy writes:
I'm thinking that Putin's attack on Ukraine may be less like Hitler's attacks on Poland and France and more like Stalin's attack on Finland. I've been likening recent events to those leading up to WWII for a month now, including about the appeasers."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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