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jar
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Message 271 of 291 (892062)
02-24-2022 2:02 PM


It seems that Russian forces have captured the Chernobyl Nuclear Reactor. That is really concerning since if simple conventional artillery destroys the containment facility normal wind patterns will spread the radioactive dust over Ukraine, Belarus and much of western Europe.

The advantage to Putin is He did not use nukes and can even blame it on friendly fire from the Ukrainian forces.

OOOOOOOOOps!

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Message 272 of 291 (893487)
04-14-2022 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Percy
11-03-2021 8:02 AM


Trolling for Truth
BUMP

This thread is entitled "The Biden Presidency". The last time Biden's name was mentioned in this thread was by me, back in October, Message 239, that message got no meaningful replies. Since then it has veered off-topic. Biden largely campaigned as a moderate, yet has governed from a far more liberal perspective than at least some Democrat house and senate members. Bill Maher outlines it very well.

Percy writes:

One might think that I should have titled this message The Coming Conservative Apocolypse, but the Republican party has diverged significantly from true conservatism. When George Will says the Republicans no longer embody conservative principles you have to pay attention.

George Will has always been more moderate towards conservatism than Bill Maher has been moderate towards liberalism. Do we have to pay attention to Bill Maher?

Biden's approval ratings are currently at 33%, in spite of the mainstream media's stellar dancing for him. Obviously, "goofiness" abounds in about 1/3 of the U.S. population. Is it still at pretty much 100% at EvC? Are you sorry you voted for him, Phat?

Calling me vulgar names qualifies as goofiness.


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Message 273 of 291 (893494)
04-15-2022 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Tanypteryx
02-24-2022 12:57 PM


Re: It Has Started
Tanypteryx writes:
Nuclear winter isn't my preferred fix for global warming, a bit drastic.

ah yes...
from my Long Song "Not Gonna Happen", verse 7:

some people think a comet'll make the world blow up & burn,
some say nuclear winter, some predict a Super Germ,
some believe in The Rapture, some in cryogenic nappin'...
but they've all got it all wrong, 'cause none of that stuff's gonna happen.
each one's usin' it as an excuse to keep their hands on their lap an'
if you're waitin' for The End Times ... they're not gonna happen.

it's the 7th song down in this list:
Nate Smith Songs

the song is 9:48 long, so, a warning given here!


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 274 of 291 (893496)
04-15-2022 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by marc9000
04-14-2022 11:00 PM


Re: Trolling for Truth
George Will has always been more moderate towards conservatism than Bill Maher has been moderate towards liberalism. Do we have to pay attention to Bill Maher?

George Will does policy analysis. Bill Maher does comedy.

What point is there in such a comparison?


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Message 275 of 291 (893498)
04-15-2022 10:26 AM


The Biden Presidency Thus Far
This thread doesn't get much attention, but marc9000 has just posted and makes me think that this might be a good time to see how people feel about the Biden presidency.

I think I said somewhere earlier in this thread, or at least in a similar thread, that I was disappointed in Biden so far, and I remain somewhat disappointed. My disappointment is tempered by my low expectations. I thought he would be similar to Jimmy Carter in terms of effectiveness, and that assessment feels about right to me.

Regarding immigration, I think he could have much more aggressively attacked the border problems, and we badly need immigration reform.

Regarding covid, I think he should have moved more aggressively, both domestically by, for example, fixing the damage done to the CDC, and internationally by, for example, putting together coalitions to make vaccines much more widely available, because any competitive variant that arises anywhere will soon be everywhere.

Regarding inflation, governments have only the blunt instruments of interest rates and money supply to regulate the economy. The whole world is now experiencing pandemic driven higher inflation, and the only weapons countries have to fight it are measures that slow the economy. A slower economy increases unemployment and decreases demand, which in turn reduces the upward pressure on prices.

Unfortunately the war in Ukraine is also causing inflationary pressures by putting further strains on supply chains.

The measures available to government to fight inflation usually cause recessions, so it would be much better if inflationary pressures abate naturally by resolving the pandemic and war related supply issues quickly.

--Percy


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jar
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Message 276 of 291 (893500)
04-15-2022 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Percy
04-15-2022 10:26 AM


Re: The Biden Presidency Thus Far
Any border problems are ones that we decided to create.

There are NO border problems that are not the direct result of OUR willful decisions and actions.


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Message 277 of 291 (893507)
04-15-2022 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Percy
04-15-2022 10:26 AM


Re: The Biden Presidency Thus Far
Percy writes:
I thought he would be similar to Jimmy Carter in terms of effectiveness, and that assessment feels about right to me.

I think you vastly underestimate how cruel & vicious the GOP has been.

Biden can only do so much with these traitors in congress. I am continually amazed and disgusted at the polling numbers everywhere. Wake the fuck up, America! The GOP wants to EAT your children alive! And yet it's 48% to 46% the football player over the pastor in Georgia.

The GOP should just vaporize itself out of existence. They have NEVER been good guys all 76 years of my life, except when Ike had those high tax rates for the rich.

Biden doesn't even have the Senate with Manchin & Sinema sucking the c*cks of huge corporate powers. It's amazing he can get anything done!

I strongly urge all voting Americans to vote Progressive Blue up and down your ballot!!!


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 278 of 291 (893513)
04-15-2022 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Percy
04-15-2022 10:26 AM


Re: The Biden Presidency Thus Far
I'm reasonably happy with Biden.

He has exceeded my expectations. Perhaps my expectations were too low. I see him as doing better than the press coverage indicates.

Most importantly, he is trying to move us away from Reaganomics, and toward an America where everybody counts rather than one that only works for the wealthy.


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Message 279 of 291 (893538)
04-16-2022 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 274 by nwr
04-15-2022 9:51 AM


Re: Trolling for Truth
George Will does policy analysis. Bill Maher does comedy.

What the terminology of their assigned positions are makes little difference in what their influence is. They're both public figures, they both make serious political statements, and they both have large followings, though I'd guess Maher has a far bigger one than Will does these days. Maher included a little comedy in the points he was making in the above video, but the points he was making were just as serious as any points Will has ever made. On George Will;

quote:
This is not to say that he has written or spoken as a down-the-line Republican. Indeed, he has been as critical of Republican as of Democratic presidents—perhaps more so. He took Richard Nixon to task over Watergate, Ronald Reagan over the deficits he accumulated while in office, George H. W. Bush for inept political leadership, and George W. Bush for launching an invasion of Iraq on a nation-building agenda. It would be an understatement to say that he disapproves of Donald Trump, writing that he hoped that Hillary Clinton would defeat him in a fifty-state sweep. (Fortunately, he does not mention the forty-fifth president in the volume under review.) He has nurtured a reputation for being independent and unpredictable in his judgments, and not always consistent through his long career. Whatever his views on particular issues, he has never been a party man, an ideologue, or a card-carrying member of a political movement.

George Will’s “Conservatism” | Manhattan Institute

He managed to get himself labeled a conservative long ago in his career, but swerved into unpredictability just about as long ago. Those on the left often point to everything he says as conservatism, then use it to discredit actual conservatives. He voted for Biden in the last election, for the same reason that many did, an emotional disdain for Trump's personality and bluntness. Of course he would claim that Trump is no conservative as many do, but he can't claim that Biden is more conservative than Trump. If he were actually conservative, he'd have never voted for Biden.

What point is there in such a comparison?

Two points, in Message 241, this statement;

Percy writes:

When George Will says the Republicans no longer embody conservative principles you have to pay attention.

1)I don't think conservatives have to pay much attention to anything Biden voter George Will says about real conservatism, and 2) Bill Maher spoke about "common sense" and the upcoming "ass kicking" the Democrats are very likely to get this fall. Maybe Democrats need to pay attention to that, and consider making some changes before then. Not that I wish them any success, but maybe for the good of the country.


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marc9000
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Message 280 of 291 (893540)
04-16-2022 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Percy
04-15-2022 10:26 AM


Re: The Biden Presidency Thus Far
The measures available to government to fight inflation usually cause recessions, so it would be much better if inflationary pressures abate naturally by resolving the pandemic and war related supply issues quickly.

The pandemic and war related stuff are largely out of any U.S. presidents control, though Biden campaigned that he was going to "shut down the virus", something he had no plan to do of course, just a normal political statement that both parties tend to do. Putin didn't attack Ukraine during Trump's presidency, and there's no reason to think he would have in a second Trump term, so that's on Biden. His feebleness, the way he mis-speaks and staggers around in public, no leaders around the world have respect for him, including Putin. Putin's had setbacks, but he hasn't been surprised by anything Biden's done.

But in the above video, Bill Maher talked about common sense. Biden closed construction of the Keystone XL pipeline as soon as he took office, and restricted oil exploration and drilling in other ways. That was back when everyone was taking for granted stable oil prices, food prices, and inflation. From that time, for the last full year, oil prices have been steadily going up. Biden and the left are trying to blame Putin for high oil prices! Even though his invasion happened only a little over a month ago! And Biden's solution to rising oil prices is to drain the oil reserves that were built up during the Trump administration? This is common sense? Would common sense involve maybe reopening the Keystone pipeline, in unrestricting oil exploration to the same levels as during the Trump administration? Would that be more damaging to the Democrats than just continuing to watch oil and food prices continue to soar, while oil reserves continue to drain?

The party of any president after 2 years tends to take a hit in the mid-terms. This one should be resounding enough so that Republicans get enough of a majority to cut way down on the damage that Biden is doing, over-riding vetos, etc. Until Trump or whatever Republican wants it gets back in in 2024. But it won't much be for the reasons you listed in Message 241, it will be because of high oil prices, completely Biden and the environmentalist's fault, and all the higher food prices and inflation that stem from it. It will be because of the wide open southern border, and all the drugs and crime that are going with it. It will be because of new information about the "Big Guy" references in the Hunter Biden laptop, which turned out to not be "Russian disinformation", as the news media told us. Joe Biden was more corrupt throughout his political career than Richard Nixon ever was. Will the mainstream media and Peppermint Patty (Jen Psaki) be able to keep much of this covered up until November?

I don't think Trump will run again. If he does, he'll be slightly older than Biden was when he took office. Trump would have had enough challenges in his second term, and I can't imagine him wanting to take on all the additional mess that Biden and his handlers have made at this point in his life.

I'd like to see some discussion here about what Democrats would like to do for the good of the country, maybe to lessen the hit they're going to take this November. Claiming that Republicans want to "eat their children" isn't going to cut it.


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Message 281 of 291 (893546)
04-16-2022 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by marc9000
04-16-2022 9:57 AM


Re: Trolling for Truth
It is still a fact that people watch Maher for the laughs, not for the policy comments. And nobody watches George Will for the laughs.

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Message 282 of 291 (893549)
04-16-2022 12:45 PM
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04-16-2022 9:57 AM


Re: Trolling for Truth
marc9000 writes:

nwr writes:

George Will does policy analysis. Bill Maher does comedy.


What the terminology of their assigned positions are makes little difference in what their influence is.

Yes, some segments of society do get their science from The Flintstones and their politics from Donald Duck Trump.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
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Message 283 of 291 (893563)
04-16-2022 2:43 PM
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04-16-2022 10:46 AM


Re: The Biden Presidency Thus Far
marc9000 spouts:
Biden campaigned that he was going to "shut down the virus", something he had no plan to do of course

marc, are you vaccinated yet? or are you an anti-vaxxer?

if you are, you can thank Biden for implementing the program so fast. Trump would still be sitting in Mar-a-Lago having a vodka with Putin. So you are dead wrong on that. Asshole count++.

if you're not, then you are an asshole to the health of the country. Asshole count++.

Putin didn't attack Ukraine during Trump's presidency, and there's no reason to think he would have in a second Trump term

Why would he make waves for his best pro-totalitarian friend in the US? No - he waits until a Democrat is in office. And you sort of "cheered". Asshole count++.

Biden. His feebleness, the way he mis-speaks and staggers around in public, no leaders around the world have respect for him

What leaders? Name them. Are they Putin, Il Jung, Erdogan, Le Pen? Yunno, the leading assholes of the world? It speaks volumes on YOU to pick on his age from a few grossly exaggerated right-wing clips. Your Asshole count gets another bump to 3...

Biden closed construction of the Keystone XL pipeline as soon as he took office

LOLOL!!! What a dumbo YOU are to believe this has anything to do with gas prices.

Would common sense involve maybe reopening the Keystone pipeline

Dummy, No. Stupidity's sense...a few temporary jobs for NO FUCKIN OIL, instead we deliver it to the world market and take all the aquifer risks.

Oh there are too many right-wing bullshits to continue to enumerate here, so I'll cut to the chase:

I'd like to see some discussion here about what Democrats would like to do for the good of the country

Open your eyes! We want Medicare for All, we want to end voting rules that are clearly targeting non-white voters, we want to end racism, sexism, we want to promote democracy but not by forcing countries to use our hand-picked leaders, we want to have science in charge where it belongs and religions out of where they don't belong, we want a living minimum wage so single mothers don't have to slave 3 jobs, we want kindness and empathy and all of those kind of things the GOP does not want to see, and eventually switch out of the filthy oil-based economy and into solar, wind, geothermal and other renewable energy sources and all the CEO oligarchs in jail. i may have missed a few somethings...

Edited by xongsmith, : could be misinterpreted

Edited by xongsmith, : No reason given.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 284 of 291 (893568)
04-16-2022 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by xongsmith
04-16-2022 2:43 PM


Re: The Biden Presidency Thus Far
Open your eyes! We want Medicare for All, we want unrestricted voting rules that are clearly targeting non-white voters, we want to end racism, sexism, we want to promote democracy but not by forcing countries to use our hand-picked leaders, we want to have science in charge where it belongs and religions out of where they don't belong, we want a living minimum wage so single mothers don't have to slave 3 jobs, we want kindness and empathy and all of those kind of things the GOP does not want to see, and eventually switch out of the filthy oil-based economy and into solar, wind, geothermal and other renewable energy sources and all the CEO oligarchs in jail. i may missed something...

And all the criminals in the Trump Crime Cult to be held accountable for all their crimes.


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Message 285 of 291 (893572)
04-16-2022 4:29 PM


Biden: God Damn It
My Message 888 from another thread. Very disappointing.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

  
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