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Topic: The Power of the New Intelligent Design...
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 361 of 1197 (893647)
04-17-2022 10:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 356 by AZPaul3
04-17-2022 9:03 PM
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Re: Bump: No Help. Let's Try Again
You are wasting your time. No one is listening to you, especially since you can't seem to explain anything. We were right about this chucklehead all along. He's a loser! He doesn't have any arguments whatsoever or he would have tried to explain them. So, he doesn't have any discoveries or even a simple understanding of science or even words, let alone something that challenges evolution. He is defeated by default, he didn't even show up with an argument. Just another pathetic Intelligent Design Loser! He can't even describe the simplest concept of biology and not a single scientist on the planet supports him, not even the crappy ones. Jar's right, he is pretty boringly repetitious too!
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Seems to me that plenty of living organisms do pretty well without intelligence. Depends on how one defines intelligence. There appears to be a level of intellect in plant communications that may be becoming evident. Plant communication - PMC
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WookieeB
Member Posts: 190 Joined: 01-18-2019
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Message 363 of 1197 (893657)
04-18-2022 12:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 341 by AZPaul3
04-17-2022 5:18 PM
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Further, everything that has ever or does now exist was caused. Everything. That is the experience of this universe. No one can show anything different. Then that means the universe was caused. What was its cause? And philosophically, you cannot have an infinite regression of causes. You will have to have a first cause.
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WookieeB
Member Posts: 190 Joined: 01-18-2019
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Message 364 of 1197 (893658)
04-18-2022 12:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 342 by AZPaul3
04-17-2022 5:25 PM
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No, Sarah has it all quite right. You ID/Creationists are the ones who misunderstand design and complexity. So then define "design" and "complexity" in the context of causes/origins.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 365 of 1197 (893659)
04-18-2022 12:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 363 by WookieeB
04-18-2022 12:03 AM
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Then that means the universe was caused. That was fast.
What was its cause? We don't know, yet. We need another 50 - 1,000 +- years or so. Ask me then.
And philosophically, you cannot have an infinite regression of causes. You will have to have a first cause. I don't know what logic you are using but a causal chain cannot be anything but infinite in an infinite universe. Remember that following a causal chain is moving backward through time. In this universe we can go back to t=~0. We haven't enough data to look any farther back. We have no idea what happened prior to t=0. That we don't know means you cannot insist on a first cause. You don't know what causal chain led to this big bang and it may well stretch infinitely back. Back to where the turtles start all the way up. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 366 of 1197 (893660)
04-18-2022 12:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 364 by WookieeB
04-18-2022 12:05 AM
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So then define "design" and "complexity" in the context of causes/origins. 1. Oxford English dictionary is good enough for me. 2. I'm not the one tilting at windmills. I don't see any reasoned argument for your BS. I am not compelled to give any arguments against. 3. Fuck you. I don't take assignments from you. You do the assignment. You want to talk ID? Define your terms. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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MrIntelligentDesign
Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 248 Joined: 09-21-2015
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That is why before you post any nonsense in science, like this: "Seems to me that plenty of living organisms do pretty well without intelligence. Just ask any tree." You must first define "intelligence" and why you use that definition in Biology. Support that definition with experiment, and it is so easy to follow. Now do it again and let us compare. Do not inject religion in science. Test and not guess. Do you understand that?
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MrIntelligentDesign
Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 248 Joined: 09-21-2015
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Message 368 of 1197 (893664)
04-18-2022 2:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 366 by AZPaul3
04-18-2022 12:52 AM
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So, tell us here, why you are supporting that definition from Oxford, and apply it in Biology? Do you have experiment to show that that definition is part of reality? If not, you are just injecting your religious explanation in science. ONCE AGAIN, stop injecting your religion in science. Do you understand that?
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MrIntelligentDesign
Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 248 Joined: 09-21-2015
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Re: Bump: No Help. Let's Try Again
I discovered intelligence, thus, you must defeat me in this topic to show that I am wrong in all of my explanations in Biology, Physics, etc... Thus, no matter what you say, you are just simply showing your ignorance of the topic. Rediscover intelligence and I will listen to you.
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MrIntelligentDesign
Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 248 Joined: 09-21-2015
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Message 370 of 1197 (893666)
04-18-2022 2:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 358 by jar
04-17-2022 9:18 PM
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Re: Bump: No Help. Let's Try Again
To tell you the truth, it is boring when you use Biological Evolution because Evolution cannot define intelligence correctly with experiment. Can you help your fellow Evo supporters here and define intelligence in Biology, the real definition? Darwin and his supporters had made the topic of intelligence boring and dull...
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Sarah Bellum
Member (Idle past 617 days) Posts: 826 Joined: 05-04-2019
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Message 371 of 1197 (893674)
04-18-2022 9:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 362 by AZPaul3
04-17-2022 10:34 PM
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And the rocks and stones, they are not sleeping, they are merely planning their next moves, very slowly, very deliberately.
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Sarah Bellum
Member (Idle past 617 days) Posts: 826 Joined: 05-04-2019
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Intelligence is a difficult concept to define precisely, especially if you want to have a definition that includes us humans but does not include dolphins or chimpanzees or beavers or orioles. But surely organisms such as plankton or earthworms have prospered for far longer than humans without the need for intelligence. By the way, what do you think? Do you think we are descended from living organisms (through the usual method of conception and birth) that were very different in the past? Why or why not?
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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I open a new hallway and you go jump out the window. OK. You do know rocks and stones aren't plants, right. Though they do move, on their own, slowly, very slowly.
Sailing Stones
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MrIntelligentDesign
Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 248 Joined: 09-21-2015
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Thus, if you do not know intelligence, then, your usage of that word is wrong and you have a wrong explanation of reality and in Biology. Now, the answer to your question is no. There is no evolution, since biological cell is importantly designed.. You can see my answer here more: Why Evolution Is Wrong In Biology And What is Right? | Zenodo Edited by MrIntelligentDesign, : No reason given.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Re: Bump: No Help. Let's Try Again
MrID writes: I discovered intelligence, thus, you must defeat me in this topic to show that I am wrong in all of my explanations in Biology, Physics, etc... So far you have not actually explained anything. You keep saying you have, but we never see an explanation in biology or physics or etc. If you cannot explain it here you lose, you are defeated. You can read why here:
Why everything MrID says is absolute gibberish that does not explain anything Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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