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Tangle
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Message 380 of 1197 (893706)
04-18-2022 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 378 by WookieeB
04-18-2022 3:45 PM


Wookie writes:
But even if we assume one, the idea of an infinitely back temporal dimension is still illogical.
Logic is of no use when trying to understand cosmological problems. You need maths
(I'll let you figure out why)
Terrible move, lazy.
Ultimately, yes, one would have to insist on a first cause.
There's no reason to assume this - unless of course you'd care to give us one.
It may or may not be that the first cause generated our universe, but that a first cause exists is the only thing that makes sense.
Again 'sense' has nothing to do with it. Pretty much everything we currently know about the universe makes no sense in the normal usage. The only way everyday people make sense of it is what people have done for thousands of years and that's make up human stories about it. Gods are useful - they fill in the holes where knowledge is absent.
Civilisations have made up thousands of stories and are still doing it - Mormons spring to mind. The stories people believe are almost always the ones they were brought up to believe in. There's no known case of anyone believing in a god that they had never heard of - a child born to Muslim parents does not spontaneously believe in Jesus Christ.
Logic and belief have nothing to do with the physical understanding of the universe. Personally, I've no idea why we imagine us evolved apes have any kind of chance of working this shit out- we just do our best and we've only being trying for a couple of hundred years. Haven't even started.
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Message 403 of 1197 (893768)
04-19-2022 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 398 by WookieeB
04-19-2022 2:41 PM


Wookie writes:
This statement is breathtakingly bad. You do realize that there is no math without logic.
Oh, please. Tell me, what's logical about quantum theory? By logic here I'm meaning our ability to simply think philosophically about a problem and hope to solve it. The universe is not something that makes normal, logical sense.
Not really. Just seeing if y'all can think. Figure out why a causal chain going backwards in some temporal chain infinitely is not logically possible. Use your maths.
Fuck off, if you have a point to make, make it.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 517 of 1197 (902051)
11-17-2022 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 515 by MrIntelligentDesign
11-17-2022 4:13 AM


Below are the invented explanations in forensic science, that have no part in reality:

1. The pattern of blood stains on the wall
2. The knife found in the body
3. The defence wounds on the victim's arms and hands
4. The broken window showing the attacker's entry point
5. The bloody footprints leaving the scene

..for they assumed that the conclusion that the victim is daed and has been murdered is correct.

Forensic science is wrong for it cannot explain if the change is really natural or not...
What you've listed are a number of evidences that demonstrate the truth of evolution, you muppet. You don't even know that you're doing it.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 999 of 1197 (908187)
03-09-2023 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 993 by sensei
03-09-2023 5:12 AM


Re: Typical?
Nested hierarchies
If different species share common ancestors, we would expect living things to be related to one another in what scientists refer to as nested hierarchies — rather like nested boxes. This is indeed what we observe in the living world and in the fossil record. When we study their traits, species naturally cluster into groups based on suites of similar, inherited traits (i.e., homologies). And they don’t just cluster into groups. They cluster into groups within groups within groups…etc. This observation makes most sense if we understand that, over time, lineages have split and formed new species, which then split and formed even more species, and so on, passing down traits and generating the branching structure that is the Tree of Life. An example is illustrated below.
There's more explanation here
Nested hierarchies - Understanding Evolution
That site - which is run by the University of California Museum of Paleontology (UCMP) - also provides other lines of evidence for the ToE. It's a 101 so it shouldn't trouble you too much.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 1022 of 1197 (908291)
03-09-2023 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1018 by sensei
03-09-2023 5:51 PM


Re: Typical?
This new idea of common descent and nested hierarchies.
1837
Anytime you want to start showing us where this is wrong, we're all ears. Just at the moment you're being very boring.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 1175 of 1197 (909631)
04-07-2023 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1174 by AZPaul3
04-06-2023 7:00 PM


And don't forget the grocery clerk that's re-imagining new monetary policy and fiat currencies.
To be close to such precocious talent is indeed a rare privilege.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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