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Message 151 of 161 (884517)
02-22-2021 8:10 PM
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02-22-2021 7:10 PM


Re: The First Three Days
Actually the largest margin in the history US Senate Impeachment Trial the Senate found Trump guilty. But under the rules of Impeachment Trials it was not sufficient for conviction. But this was the largest cross party vote to convict in all of US impeachment history.

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Message 152 of 161 (884518)
02-22-2021 8:12 PM
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02-22-2021 7:10 PM


Re: The First Three Days
Several of those GOP senators who voted not guilty then went on to say that Trump very obviously and definitely is responsible for the insurrectionist attack on the Capitol. Eg, McConnell, "no question about it."

They know full well that he's guilty, but they chose to hide behind the cowardly lie that they didn't have jurisdiction because he's no longer in office. That lie was disproven on the very first day before the trial actually started.


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Message 153 of 161 (893963)
04-26-2022 7:57 AM


All The Chiefs Texts
All text messages from November 3, 2020 (election day) until January 20, 2021 (inauguration day) of former Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows have been obtained by CNN (CNN Exclusive: Mark Meadows' 2,319 text messages reveal Trump's inner circle communications before and after January 6 | CNN Politics). They reveal how shocked everyone within the Trump circle was at the events of January 6th as they unfolded, from family, to cabinet members, to Republican congressmen, and to supporters and hangers on, in contrast to their later denial of the seriousness of what took place. They also reveal how hard they all worked to overturn the 2020 election.

The first texts reveal everyone assuming Trump was at the driving force for the January 6th insurrection. Here are some choice texts from the article:

  • Mick Mulvaney: "Mark: he needs to stop this, now. Can I do anything to help?"
  • GOP Rep. William Timmons of South Carolina: "The president needs to stop this ASAP"
  • Donald Trump Jr.: "This his(sic) one you go to the mattresses on. They will try to fuck his entire legacy on this if it gets worse."

There's also a trove of texts about overturning the election. They reveal a wide range of positions, from skepticism about conspiracy theories to full-blown buy-in to actively pushing both legal and violent remedies. A number of texts were about preparations for January 6th.

--Percy

PS: I'm changing the title of this thread from "The Trump Post Presidency" to "The Trump Post Presidency and Insurrection". If there are objections or there's a better thread for insurrection discussion please let me know. I'm making the change because I had trouble rememberinf the right thread for insurrection discussion.

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Message 154 of 161 (893968)
04-26-2022 9:17 AM
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04-26-2022 7:57 AM


Re: All The Chiefs Texts
To paraphrase the most famous line in Jaws: "We're going to need a bigger yardarm." To hang all these mutineers and traitors from.

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Message 155 of 161 (893970)
04-26-2022 10:39 AM
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04-26-2022 7:57 AM


Re: All The Chiefs Texts
I'm changing the title of this thread from "The Trump Post Presidency" to "The Trump Post Presidency and Insurrection". If there are objections or there's a better thread for insurrection discussion please let me know.

A better title: "The Trump Treason and Insurrection".


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Message 156 of 161 (894539)
05-19-2022 11:24 PM


A huge list of insurrection defendants (justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases)
Capitol Breach Cases
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Below is a list of defendants charged in federal court in the District of Columbia related to crimes committed at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C, on Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021.
Every case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia. Following arrests, or surrender, defendants must appear before district court magistrate/judge where the arrest takes place, in accordance with the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.
A LOT of names - Just the defendants with names starting with "A" total 18.
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Message 157 of 161 (894540)
05-19-2022 11:37 PM
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05-19-2022 11:24 PM


Re: A huge list of insurrection defendants (justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases)
So far, so good. But we would like to see some charges against the instigators.

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Message 158 of 161 (894545)
05-20-2022 9:35 AM
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05-19-2022 11:24 PM


Re: A huge list of insurrection defendants (justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases)
I believe I found a unique key to search on, and the count of defendants seems to be a little over five hundred (I got 541).
--Percy

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Message 159 of 161 (894559)
05-21-2022 2:34 PM
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05-20-2022 9:35 AM


Re: A huge list of insurrection defendants (justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases)
By my count there were 256 insurrectionists in the US Congress and dozens more in the Whitehouse.

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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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Message 160 of 161 (894576)
05-21-2022 9:32 PM
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05-21-2022 2:34 PM


White House Insurrectionists
The primary instigators and perpetrators for sure.
I’m thinking, though, there may not be enough political will in the present American electorate for this level of recrimination. I fear Trump and company will avoid the kind of legal repercussions that any other society would demand.
More I fear the coming republican election victories. The right is rising. As we have recently seen in the Supreme Court, our liberties, whether directly expressed in the constitution or not, are in danger.

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Message 161 of 161 (894577)
05-21-2022 11:48 PM
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05-21-2022 9:32 PM


Re: White House Insurrectionists
When those fuckers get power again this country is going to become a very scary, unhappy, shithole to live in! I fear for my grandkids, but most for my granddaughter!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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