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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo,
Nothing moves towards the more orderly,regardless of whether it is in a so-called open or closed system. You know this!
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tanyptery, my point is that it does not take
tens or hundreds of millions of years to create either diamonds or oil. You say that there might be 20,000,000 ormore species of insects. Well, I would say that this favors a creationist's point of view. As I have already stated, no human has everywitnessed macro-evolution. Yet, you want us to believe that this has (including all intermediate steps) happened more than 100,000,000 times in the insect kingdom alone. It is much more likely that an all-knowing Godcreated them, each having a design purpose. Again, I have no problem with people believingin evolution. That is their God-given right. My issue is with them preaching that it is a proven fact. And, I have an issue with spending tax money to teach these fairytales to kids. Did you hear about the frog who became a prince?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Dwise, I started college at Murray State in the
Fall of 2000, at age of 47. I was required to take certain science classes, so I too biology. The head of the Biology Deptartment, who wasalso one of my instructors, and I talked often. He was also head of the Handcock Biological Station. He was quite knowlegeable. He knew that I wasn't fooled, so he leveled withme. He didn't believe in evolution, but he kept this information to himself. Those who speak out against evolution, and now"Climate change" could find themselves looking for a new job. College should be a place where people canexchange ideas, but certain ideas are taboo. If you have proof of evolution, I would like foryou to share it with us. What I think you have is nothing but misguidedFaith. Do you know that every country on earth havemyths about a global flood? Do you know that Noah's Ark had as much spaceas nearly 600 railroad box cars. Or over 400,000 cubic meters of space. In the "Epic of Gilgamesh" the ark was a cube.Can you imagine riding in that--talk about sea sickness. Noah's Ark had a design ratio of 30x5x3-LxWxH.Modern cargo ships are based on this design ratio. Dr. Sean Hong, of KRISO Research Center, inDaejeon, South Korea, performed extensive experiments on 12 hull designs. The Ark's design ratio was the optimal designfor seaworthiness; balanced stability; comfort and strength. When proportions were modified the structuresbecame prone to fracture, less stable, and uncomfortable. Dr. Hong was an atheist, and believed that lifecame from the sea.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
AZPaul3, the Creator of everything that exist
is the member of the God family known to us Jesus. John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, andthe Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Himwas not anything made that was made. Vs.14 And the Word was made flesh, and dweltamong us... Vs.10 He was in the world, and the world wasmade by Him..... Do you understand what these verses are stating? In the beginning, before the universe, even beforethe angels were created, there existed two supremely powerful Spirit Beings. One was the Word (Logos, Spokesman); the otherwas the One we know as the Father. The Father is the greater of the two. God here is from Theos, (plural). In any event, Jesus created all that is in theuniverse. Read also Eph. 3:9 & Col. 1:16. There are others,but right now I don't recall where. Gen. 1:26 records the Word (Jesus) speakingto the Father: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness... Jesus is the One who said "Let there be light." God here is from Elohim (plural). Read what Jesus said to the Jews aboutGod, the Father: John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time;the only begotten Son...He has declared h Him. John 6:46 Not that any man has seen theFather, save He which is of God, He has seen the Father. Read also John 5:37 & John 17: 25-26. The point here is no one, according to theCreator, has ever seen the Father. Neither has any human ever heard His voice, nor has anyone seen His form. However, Adam saw God, so did Abraham,Moses, and a number of other men in the Old Testament. In fact, more than seventy Israelites sawGod at the same time. Ex. 24:9-11 Then went up Moses, and Aaron,Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel. It's recorded in Ex. 33:18-23 that Moses wasAllowed to see God in all His Glory. But, Moses was only permitted to see the backside of God. Since no one has ever seen the Father, thenJesus is the God of the Old Testament. Jesus is the One who gave Moses the 10Commandments. And, Jesus is the One who led the Israites out of Egypt by day in a pillar of clouds, and at night by a pillar of fire. Want proof! 1 Cor. 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would notthat you should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized baptized unto Mosesin the cloud and in the sea; And did eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink:for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them; and that Rock was Christ. I will finish this post shortly. My chargerstopped working. I will buy one from the Dollar Sto
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ex.3:14-15 Moses asks God what was His name, and
God replied, "I AM THAT I AM." He told Moses to tell the Israelites that "I AM" had sent him to them. 1n John 8:56-59 Jesus told the Jews that Abrahamrejoiced to see His day. Then said the Jews unto Him, Thou are not yet fiftyyears old, and has thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, "Truly, I say unto you, beforeAbraham was, I AM. They tried to stone Him because they understoodexactly what He meant. However, He slipped away from them. In John 18:4-8 when the band of men came to arrestJesus, He asked them, "Whom seek you"? They answered Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus said untothem, "I AM he. As soon as they heard this they fell backwards onthe ground. Again He asked them "whom seek ye"? Jesus answered, I have told you that l am he. The words "he" after "I Am" is in italics. It wasadded the translators. I is not in the oldest manuscripts. What Jesus said is "I AM". Jesus referred to Himself as "I AM". I AM:The bread of life; Light of the world; The door; Good shepherd Resurrection and the life Way, truth, and the life The vine Etc.... Jesus told His disciples in John 8:23-24 that it they didnot believe that He was "I AM" that they would die in their sins. John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that when itis come (His death and resurrection) to pass, ye may believe that I am he. Again, he is in italics. Doubting Thomas, after verifying that Jesus had in factrisen from the dead, proclaimed "my Lord and my God." The Father is indeed greater than the Son, but only afterall has been fulfilled will the Son turn everything over to the Father. He will then take His place at the Father's right hand. Anyone who does not understand that Jesus is theactual Creator will have a difficult time grasping the creation week. Only Jesus' death atoned for our sins, because He isthe one who created us.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
AZPaul3, there is a lot of scam associated with
religion. There is even a good deal of it associated with the Christian religion. Lying televangelists have no love for God in theirhearts. It all about wealth and power for them. The Roman Cathic Church was started by SimonMagus who, in the Book of Acts, tried to buy the power of the Holy Spirit. It is a filthy organization. Christ's Church is small and not politically powerful.Down through the ages, His Church was persecuted a great deal by the universal Church. Satan could not stomp out true Christianity, sohe started a counterfeit religion. You think that a true Christian is weak-willed.But, you are so far from the truth. The most difficult thing that I have ever done in my life Is to surrender myself to another. It went against my pride. I fought it for decades. But, I know that Christ exists, and I know thatHe knows me. There is no better comfort than this.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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Dwise, because of auto correct I originally
had a tough time typing your name it. It kept switching your name to Disease. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to you,but it was just a bit funny.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Jar, from what I've noticed, each discipline
thinks that another discipline has the proof of evolution. Biologists think that paleontologistshave the proof. Paleontologists think that geneticistshave the proof. Geneticists think that archeologistshave the proof. Archeologists think that geologistshave the proof. Etc... There is no way to prove evolution. If it were provable, everyone wouldaccept it. Gravity is provable and everyone acceptsit. At sea level water boils at 212 degreesFahrenheit. It freezes at 32 degrees. It can be replicated time and time again. Everyone accepts it. Evolutionists want people to disregardtheir common sense, and believe in something that none of us can witness first hand. There is not one thing about evolutionthat seems plausible to me. There are no transitional fossils. And, don'ttry to say that there is. There isn't. None of these fossils come with a tag onthem, stating how old they are. It is left up to one's interpretation. Creationistshave the same evidence that evolutionists have. And, what makes someone thinks that thesefossils were capable of doing what animals today can't do. And, that is to have offsprings who are of adifferent "kind."
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tanyptery, I know how you think it works.
You think that small incremental changes over long periods of time lead to differing species. Without even a tiny smidgen of transitionalfossils some evolutionists are now looking at the possibility of punctuated equilibrium, which is basically rapid change. In all recorded history neither of these twoviews has been observed. No transitional fossils, and no punctuatedequilibrium.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I know what P-E is, and how long it has been
around. There was no need for me to go into it in great detail. You understand what I was saying. I do occasionally look over fossils, but thereare no transitional fossils. If evolution were true, there would by necessitybe hundreds of millions of transitional fossils. If Darwin were alive today and was able to seethe complexity of the simple cell, he would feel like a complete fool. And, after all these decade and still no transitionalfossils, he would drop to his knees and beg God for forgiveness.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Evolution is neither a logical nor a consistent theory.
The theory (which is a a stretch of the imagination to even call it a theory) is not based on empirical science. For the sake of being honest, let's call it a hypothesis; albeit, a weak one. There is only one type of evolution that has even a tinyhint of science behind it. And that is microevolution. Even microevolution isn't true evolution. It is nothingmore than changes in gene frequencies within a species. No new information is acquired. All finches in the Galapagos are still finches. All thedifferent breeds of dogs are still just dogs. One can say that minute changes over eons of time can lead to the creation of new species/kind, but that belief is based on faith, not science. Faith is a religion. And religion has no place in the classroom. Isolation can lead to speciation, which might lead tosome animals of the same kind no longer being capable of reproducing, but this is a loss of information. It is not evolution in any form of the Word. Humans have not observed one species of animalevolving into another species of animal (organism). Humans have no transitional fossils, when we shouldhave tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions. Imagine that; perhaps over 8,000,000 different typesof organisms, and not even one intermediate fossil. Some say that complex chemicals created life. And, Isay prove it. Replicate the process. Guess work isn't science. The facts are all on my side. It comes down to scienceand creation vs. evolutionary hypothesis. Evolution is nothing more than iron pyrite.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Dwise, I understand that there is a huge amount of
genetic diversity within a "kind." I don't dispute this. There is clear and convincing proof of this. Show me empirical proof that one "kind" of animalcan/has produce(d) an animal of a different "kind." It is such a simple request, and I am completelyjustified in asking for it. I want what any competent individual (especially what a competent scientist should demand), and that is empirical and operational evidence. It took me many years and a good deal of empiricalevidence to place all my faith in God. God commands us to prove everything. I don't have anything near the amount of faith it wouldtake for me to even associate variety within a "kind" to "kind" producing a totally different "kind." The theory of evolution is the only (so called)theorythat has not been abandoned, even though it lacks any semblance of empirical science. Evolutionary philosophy isn't science.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Jar, evolutionists are the dishonest ones. Not only are
my views based on the Bible; they are also based on real science. I, like you and all evolutionists, believe in historicalscience. The big difference is that I put more trust in observational science (true science) than historical science. OS, for me, stands head and shoulder above HS,which is open to subjective interpretation. I could go on and on about how OS proves timeafter time that evolutionary concepts are wrong. Let's take just one example: Polystrata. Polystrata consists of fossils, mostly trees, butalso animals, that extend upright through multiple geologic layers. Supposedly with each layer being millions of years old. How a dead tree can stand upright for millions ofyears without decaying away is not acceptable to a sane, rational individual. But anyone who believes the fossil of dinosaurs that still have soft and flexible tissue after 75,000,000 years will believe in just about anything. In any event, the so-called geologic column, whichis/was based on assumption, was blown away by Mt. St. Helen's (MSH), as was the concept of uniformitarianism. In MSH's Spirit Lake there are hundreds of deadtrees that have become saturated with water and the heavy root end sinks down into the mud, and settles there. Many of these trees already extends through multiple layers of strata. Examples of polystrata fossils are found across theentire globe. They are the results of a global flood. I want you to fix this fact (and it is a fact) firmly in your mind and that what is happening in Spirit Lake is observable science-real science; not science that is polluted by presuppositions. People accept evolution, even when clearly disprovedby real science, because they refuse to accept the alternative. Their mindset is "I want it this way-not that.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Answers, you must believe in theistic evolution (TE). You
accept that the earth itself is roughly four-and-a-half billions years old. I assume that you believe the six days (Yom) of creationwere of an indeterminate amount of time, perhaps up to 750,000,000 million years each. The day-age theory. It is true that "yom" can refer to a period of time otherthan a 24 hour period. However, when a number is used with yom it always indicate a 24 hour period. Also, when evening and/or day (light & dark) is used it refers to a 24 hour period. On day three of creation God made the dry land toappear. In addition, He created the tree; grass; flowers; and, herbs on the same day. The life giving rays of the sun did not reach the earthuntil day four, which according to TE would have been 750,000,000 years later. Perhaps you should check into the necessity of photosynthesis. On top of that, birds and other organisms responsiblefor pollination were not created until day five, which would have been 1,500,000,000 years later. On the 7th Day God (Jesus) created the Sabbath Day.And, in numerous Biblical texts God commands us to both remember the Sabbath Day and to keep it holy. In Exodus 20: 8-11, God commands the Israelites towork sis days and rest on the Sabbath. Do you honestly believe God was telling us to work for 4,000,000,000 years and then rest 750,000,000 years? If you really knew God's purpose in creating man youwould know beyond d a shadow of a doubt that God left nothing to chance. Before the world was even created Jesus knew thatHe would give His life to pay for our sins. Read 1 Peter 1:20; Revelation 13:8; and Acts 3:23. Humans are not to become angels after death. Ourpotential is far greater than that. We are to be born I to the God family. God says that we are to become His very sons. Jesussays that He would call us brethren (brother). God tells us that we will inherit all that He has. Healso tells us we will become far greater than angels, that we will rule over them. This is why character is of the utmost importance.We can only attain this character by having His precious Holy Spirit dwelling within us. Through His Holy Spirit we can attain fellowship with the Father and Son. Through His Holy Spirit God imparts His very nature to us. Little by little we take on His character. God is not like humans; He leaves nothing to chance.He has planned this out to the last detail.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
NRW, the God that I worship says that in the beginning
He created everything. It's recorded. Whenever I open a book written by an evolutionist itbegins with: Life could have began;There's a good chance that; It is likely that; We're not sure, but life probably; Long ago and far away; This kind of reasoning doesn't instill much confidencein the reader. It's kid stuff.
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