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Message 358 of 1197 (893644)
04-17-2022 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 356 by AZPaul3
04-17-2022 9:03 PM


Re: Bump: No Help. Let's Try Again
And it's even past any possible humorous worth.
It's just boring.

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jar
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Message 383 of 1197 (893712)
04-18-2022 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 381 by AZPaul3
04-18-2022 5:53 PM


Re: Divine Gradient
One other fact supported by evidence is that where we can identify a first cause it almost never continues to exist after that first cause.
The spark that starts a forest fire.
The pressure that causes a dam to break.
The reality we do see is that things happen.
There is no expectation that the first cause might last beyond that one moment or even that there is some single discrete first cause.
When we look around at reality though there is ample evidence that things exist and that what exists today is NOT what existed in the past.
There is no evidence of any creator.
No evidence that if there was a creator or that the creator was intelligent.
There is no evidence that even suggests that almost everything that does exist is not the result of some intellegent or even intentional design.
There are beliefs.
But they must always be acknowledged simply as personal beliefs and never presented a fact or reality.

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Message 452 of 1197 (894266)
05-09-2022 8:16 AM
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05-09-2022 1:01 AM


Yet it seems barrels do have a measurable circumference and a measurable diameter.

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Message 468 of 1197 (894676)
05-26-2022 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 467 by dwise1
05-25-2022 8:16 PM


Re: The Power of Evolution
There's yet another clear evidence that life was not intelligently designed or in fact designed at all.
It is so common and so visible that we as a society have written laws to prevent or minimize that fact.
No even halfway good engineer, architect, programmer would not adopt and use a proven solution rather than invent yet another version. To prevent just that we have created copyright and patents and Trade Marks so the original creator retains all the rights to use the idea, process, method, mechanism, name or slogan.
But the ID and Creationism folk all claim that there is only one creator, not a spectrum of creators that cannot simply copy what works.
Second, in designed objects when an idea does get copied it will have slight adaptation that make it better in the single individual application.
But when we look at living stuff what we find is that pieces parts keep getting keep getting reused but without the individual modification that would make it better is some specific instance. So we end up with a poorly designed human eye and no padding on shins or funny bones and left over pieces that really don't make the critter better.
There are only three possible explanations.
First there was not one but a whole host of creators of varying talent constrained by some Heavenly Patent, Copyright, Trade Mark system.
Second, there were lots of creators and none of them were any good and they were all learning on the job.
Or there was no creator and what we see is simply evolution in action.

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