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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
False dichotomy --> non sequitur. ... let us solve the problem between manufactured to non-manufactured. If I cannot explain, I support Evolution and you. I you cannot, you support me,"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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MrIntelligentDesign writes:
You're confusing "strong" with "loud". Your "arguments" are somewhere between weak and non-existent. A loud "critic", like you, just yells, "No! No! No!" without ever explaining why not. That isn't even real criticism. I am a very strong critic of Evolution...."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Yes, we're waiting for that to happen. Why has that not happened? Just wait for my science article to be summitted to science journal."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
You said, in Message 128, "Just wait for my science article to be summitted to science journal." I did submit but they did not get it. Why should I wait for something that you already did? Get your story straight."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
You've certainly demonstrated non-intelligence but it dates back to pond-scum, so you couldn't have invented it. Did you invent arrogance too? I am not an ordinary scientist, I discovered intelligence and non-intelligence!"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes:
Changing the subject. What is IDv2’s first move?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Let's start out very simple: "Intelligence is the ability to learn."
You must first define "intelligence"... MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Let's just use the same definition everywhere.
... and why you use that definition in Biology. MrIntelligentDesign writes:
It's supported by observation. Chimps use twigs to fish for ants and termites. They learn that stripping the leaves off makes a more efficient tool.
Support that definition with experiment... MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Are you following so far? ... and it is so easy to follow."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
I didn't say it was either universal or correct. I suggested it as a starting point.
OK, do you really accept that your definition of intelligence is universal and correct? MrIntelligentDesign writes:
You're jumping way too far ahead. We can't discuss whether or not something "is" intelligently designed until we can agree on what "intelligence" and "design" mean. Let us test that, answer these questions from your definition of intelligence.Is biological cell intelligently designed or not? If you don't like my definition, suggest improvements."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
WookieB writes:
There's a difference between "a" beginning and "the" beginning. There might have been many beginnings.
The universe had a beginning. Most scientists today agree with that. As such, space, time and matter/energy all had a beginning. WookieB writes:
I don't see how that follows. Your logic seems to be: Premise 1, Premise 2, therefore God. So the reasoning is that whatever creates the universe would be, among other things, spaceless, timeless and immaterial."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Get out of the nineteenth century.
... as opposed to the Darwinist version: Dredge writes:
The scientific version is, "We don't know, so let's find out." Science looks at reality to find answers to questions and solutions to problems. "We don't know, therefore billions of years done it.""Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
But you don't know what those things are.
Some things will be forever unknowable... Dredge writes:
We already DO know a lot about that.
... such as the process that produced the profound changes in life-forms evident in the fossil record ... Dredge writes:
Of course it does. How do we know WHAT (if anything) is "unknowable" if we don't look? ... in which case, your "We don't know, so let's find out" motto doesn't apply."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
No IDist has ever offered a sensible explanation for WHY a Designer would design poisonous snakes. Or parasitic worms. For example, no Darwinist has ever offered me a sensible explanation for how venomous snakes evolved.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
The story that best fits the evidence wins. And isn't it funny that scientists from every religion agree on what the best story is?
Darwinists don't have to explain anything - they just make up stories. Whoever comes up with the best story, wins. Dredge writes:
You're the one who's stuck in the nineteenth century. Read something up-to-date. It's not my fault that the theory of evolution is a simplistic nineteenth century idea ....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Isn't it funny that those "otherwise intelligent people" can cure diseases, get us to the moon and back, etc.? Why does it take an idiot like you to understand that the ToE is wrong? ... it's actually quite sad that otherwise intelligent people accept a scientific theory as dubious as ToE.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
]qs=Dredge]Well, until their research provides a sensible explanation of how venomous snakes evolved...[/qs]
They have.
Dredge writes:
Nobody cares what you think. ... I will continue to consider ToE to be inadequate.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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