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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
Stile
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Message 2761 of 2767 (893429)
04-13-2022 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2760 by dwise1
04-10-2022 1:04 PM


dwise1 writes:

I do realize that this OP is mainly to examine discussions of the existence of "God", a topic which is immensely important to theists but only marginally (*yawn*) to atheists.

Yes, I agree.

I don't find it important, but I do find it interesting.

Just like when I play video games - I don't find them important, but I do find them interesting.

In this topic, I wanted to explore the claim "I know God does not exist" and see how valid it was.
Turns out, almost 3000 messages in, I still find the claim to be sufficient for how I understand the word "know" to be used for basically everything else in life.

Sometimes there's rebuttals like "you don't know God doesn't exist - prove it!"
And I don't think there's any reason to run away from such a challenge.

The proof is the same for proving all other negatives - the complete lack of evidence to be found after over-reasonably searching for such evidence.

It then becomes a "standing theory" to "know God doesn't exist" just as we know all sorts of other imagination-only things don't exist.

The "possibility for being wrong" about knowing such a thing is exactly the same for all other things we also "know" - that the current standing theory is based on solid facts and knowledge, and it can be completely and immediately overturned by any identified evidence to the contrary in the future. Of course, if such a future never happens... then the current standing theory grows stronger and stronger...


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urickad
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Message 2762 of 2767 (894254)
05-08-2022 10:53 AM


You should think about coming to God. In fact, the way of life of the members of the community is not much different from the believers of major Christian trends: frequent prayer, attending Sunday services. Special emphasis is placed on the study of the Bible. We believe that every Christian should read the Scriptures every day. I start the morning with coffee and studying psalms. When we read the Bible, our task is to learn a lesson for ourselves from each passage. For us, it is an instruction for life, both spiritual and physical. Believe me, Pentecostals believe will change your life.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2763 of 2767 (894255)
05-08-2022 11:02 AM
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05-08-2022 10:53 AM


Why should we do that when there is nothing there?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Percy
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Message 2764 of 2767 (894256)
05-08-2022 11:07 AM
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05-08-2022 10:53 AM


urickad writes:
You should think about coming to God.
Who are you talking to? Is it the general "you," meaning everyone? Or just some of you? Who?
In fact, the way of life of the members of the community is not much different from the believers of major Christian trends: frequent prayer, attending Sunday services.
Members of what community? Are you a member of a community that are not "believers of major Christian trends," and therefore doesn't engage in frequent prayer or attend Sunday services?
--Percy

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nwr
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Message 2765 of 2767 (894257)
05-08-2022 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 2762 by urickad
05-08-2022 10:53 AM


the way of life of the members of the community is not much different
What community?
The early church seems to have practiced Christian communism. What we see today is closer to Christian fascism. They have kept the name "Christian" and they have kept some of the ceremonial rituals. But everything else is changed.
What we see today is not the same religion as practiced by the early Christians.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Dredge
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Message 2766 of 2767 (894281)
05-11-2022 1:33 AM
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10-10-2012 2:27 PM


quote: "Stile"
I don't believe God doesn't exist, I don't have faith that God doesn't exist, I don't simply have a lack of belief in God. I know that God doesn't exist.
On a scale of 1-10, how happy does it make you to "know" that
God doesn't exist?

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dwise1
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Message 2767 of 2767 (894286)
05-11-2022 2:05 AM
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05-11-2022 1:33 AM


On a scale of 1-10, how happy does it make you to "know" that
God doesn't exist?
Who cares? How happy does it make you to "know" that Sauron doesn't exist?
It's the religions themselves that we don't accept, not any individual components of those religions (eg, their gods). We reject religions because of the religions, not because of their individual components, so such "issues" as "does a particular god exist" are simply uninteresting and of no concern.

Edited by dwise1, : added last sentence


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