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Message 556 of 566 (894052)
04-29-2022 3:30 PM
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04-29-2022 10:32 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
So there wouldn't be any point in referencing those earlier mentions of "field testing" the Ether Model.

There hasn't been any point to this entire thread. Yet you keep posting.

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Message 557 of 566 (894101)
05-01-2022 7:55 AM
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04-29-2022 12:01 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
The assertion that Einstein/Eddington's findings that light from a distant star bends around the sun on the way to earth doesn't necessarily mean that "gravity bends light." That assumption merely reflects theories in physics that erroneously dismiss the existence of an underlying universal ether. If there's an ether, the reason light bends like that would be entirely different.

In my Ether Model, photonic units in the distant star "sense," through the ether matrix, other photonic-patterned etheric foci throughout space, including the light from our Sun. As a result, light beams from the distant star, interacting with all the similarly-patterned photonic source like our Sun, interact etherically with it. Quantum-size photon units generated by, and acompanying, the photonically-patterned ether units, follow the same path, this quantum portion of the light beam being visible to us on earth, through space between the two stars.

Before light beams heading toward earth reach the earth, they have to pass by, and very close to, the Sun. Of course, there are many other light beams hitting the Sun. -As the units skirting the Sun toward earth pass the Sun, they interact with the ether's more-photonically-energized helical region. These light beams, which had just passed through space regions that were less photonically energized (than in the region near the Sun), interact more strongly with the ambient ether units there, due to the magnetic attraction between the ether units near the Sun, compared to the less-photonically-energized regions of space that they had just been passing through. That means that the path of the photons in the light beams, as we see them, have undergone a change in their interactive behavior in the space near the Sun. That's why the light beam is seen to bend.


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Message 558 of 566 (894102)
05-01-2022 8:11 AM
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05-01-2022 7:55 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
There is evidence that gravity exists but zero evidence that ether exists.

But your post simply shows that you were not even capable of understanding the point of my post even though it was explicitly stated.

You really are simply totally ignorant of even how to read for comprehension.

Before you ever convince anyone you first need to learn the basics, basics such as how to read.


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Message 559 of 566 (894166)
05-04-2022 10:21 AM
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05-01-2022 8:11 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
My reply to your Post was, in part, necessarily intended to illustrate how my ether model works. -It isn't possible to tailor this kind of reply to conform to how people accustomed to discussing areas of quantum physics usually dialogue.

In my Model, light beams from a star traverse space differently from how physics now views it. In my Model, the primary process occurs in the ether matrix, as elemental ether units, when they "feel" another similarly-patterned zone through the ether, transmit a patterned impulse, through a mechanism of vibratory contact, unit-to-unit. The ether units do not move in the inertial sense. Quantum units are generated as part of such an etheric process. If light beams are involved, this generates quantum photons all along the pathway of the light beam. Here again, inertial motion is not involved.

Gravity, in my model, involves "nearly quantum," or etheroidal, units which "leak" from inside a quantally-structured body, through its "relatively permeable" (to sub-quantum sized units), themselves quantum-sized, units making up the outer surface, into the space between it and another body. -This partially quantizes the space between the bodies, partially converting that space into something a bit more similar to the interiors of the bodies. The way the ether in the space reacts, to this incursion of etheroidal units, is to increase its own vibratory activity, going from its normal previous state of quiet random vibration, to a state of increased vibration and interactive vibratory contact. -Overall, the state of the ether in this space constricts in response to the increase of interactive contact, which is what produces gravitational attraction between the two bodies.


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Message 560 of 566 (894167)
05-04-2022 10:45 AM
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utterly pitiful stuff
You still simply show that you are not even capable of reading for comprehension.

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Message 561 of 566 (894169)
05-04-2022 2:20 PM
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05-04-2022 10:21 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
In my Model, light beams from a star traverse space differently from how physics now views it. In my Model, the primary process occurs in the ether matrix, as elemental ether units, when they "feel" another similarly-patterned zone through the ether, transmit a patterned impulse, through a mechanism of vibratory contact, unit-to-unit. The ether units do not move in the inertial sense. Quantum units are generated as part of such an etheric process. If light beams are involved, this generates quantum photons all along the pathway of the light beam. Here again, inertial motion is not involved.

You speak so authoritatively here about something that has never been detected and without any supporting evidence. "Light beams" is a term I had not noticed physicists using when they talk about the properties of light.

Can you explain the emission and absorption lines in electromagnetic spectrums?

Can you explain how photons of different wavelengths are emitted?

Are "quantum photons" different from other photons?

Gravity, in my model, involves "nearly quantum," or etheroidal, units which "leak" from inside a quantally-structured body, through its "relatively permeable" (to sub-quantum sized units), themselves quantum-sized, units making up the outer surface, into the space between it and another body. -This partially quantizes the space between the bodies, partially converting that space into something a bit more similar to the interiors of the bodies.

Another authoritative statement, but no experimental supporting evidence.

Do you think mass curves spacetime?

Do you even think there is such a thing as spacetime?

Can you use your ether model to calculate the orbits of planets around a star based on their mass and velocity?


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Message 562 of 566 (894240)
05-07-2022 7:16 PM
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05-04-2022 2:20 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Tanypteryx,
I'm not able to answer all your questions in detail right now, due to time constraints.
In brief, I'll just say that you continue to post criticisms that are based on quantum theory, and its assumptions, especially the key assumption that there is no ether, and further, that there is no unappreciated underlying ether dynamic system as the key to correctly understanding and interpreting quantum dynamics.

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Message 563 of 566 (894241)
05-07-2022 7:50 PM
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05-07-2022 7:16 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Don't blame Tanypteryx.
Maybe there is an ether. Maybe there isn't. If we cannot tell the difference, then we might as well assume that there isn't an ether.
Your last post is #562 in this thread. You still have not suggested any observation that we can make that would allow us to decide that there is an ether.

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Message 564 of 566 (894243)
05-07-2022 8:03 PM
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05-07-2022 7:16 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
In brief, I'll just say that you continue to post criticisms that are based on quantum theory,
Specifically, could you say which criticisms you're talking about?
Are you saying my questions are criticisms?
Are you saying that emission and absorption lines in electromagnetic spectrums are not real phenomena?
Or that photons don't have different wavelengths?
Do you have a scientific definition of a light beam?
If you cannot explain things better than quantum physics does, then your model is flawed.
and its assumptions, especially the key assumption that there is no ether,
This is incorrect. Quantum theory does not make any assumptions about whether ether exists or not. It doesn't say anything about ether period. If it's an assumption, it's a completely unexpressed one.
I'm not able to answer all your questions in detail right now, due to time constraints.
There's no rush, but lets just be clear here. You didn't attempt to answer my questions at all.

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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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Message 565 of 566 (894345)
05-13-2022 9:16 AM
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05-07-2022 8:03 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Tanypteryx,
In posting questions asking how my ether Model would address various phenomena observed in quantum dynamics, you're asking for the impossible.
My model of Ether proposes that the ether's individual force-units all operate through a vibrational type of dynamic. As smaller units build into larger, or "etheroidal," units, they still operate according to the vibratory dynamic. Then, when an etheroidal unit reaches the size- scale of a quantum unit, it can start operating as patrt of the quantum dynamics system, which operates differently. (However, in my Model, even the larger quantum units retain an ability to react to etheric vibrations, as seen in quantum entanglement.)

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Message 566 of 566 (894369)
05-13-2022 7:53 PM
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05-13-2022 9:16 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Then, when an etheroidal unit reaches the size- scale of a quantum unit, it can start operating as patrt of the quantum dynamics system, which operates differently.
OK, so we can continue to use physics as if the ether is imaginary and has no effect.

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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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