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Message 436 of 484 (894349)
05-13-2022 2:11 PM
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05-13-2022 1:30 AM


Re: Sleepy Joe was wrong, but not as wrong as....
Right, but it reduces the severity, hospital stays and death, which is a good thing, right?

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Message 437 of 484 (894350)
05-13-2022 2:11 PM
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05-13-2022 1:50 PM


Re: Sleepy Joe was wrong, but not as wrong as....
Pro-disease assholes like Porky also seem to forget that the only way getting infected by a virus can protect you from getting re-infected by that virus is when the first infection kills you.

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Message 438 of 484 (894351)
05-13-2022 2:26 PM
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05-13-2022 1:30 AM


Re: Sleepy Joe was wrong, but not as wrong as....
Porknchesse writes:
The vaccine does not prevent you from getting covid nor does it work against spreading covid. That is a well known fact
The use of seat belts and airbags does not eliminate all traffic accident deaths. They only reduce those deaths by 61% (NHTSA - an actual knowledgable source, not just "a well known fact"). So, dear Mr. Porkncheese, please do us all a favor and don't buckle up, and have your airbags disabled.

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Message 439 of 484 (894353)
05-13-2022 2:36 PM
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05-13-2022 2:26 PM


Re: Sleepy Joe was wrong, but not as wrong as....
I wonder if all those truckers whose convoy crippled traffic in Toronto for two weeks and their American counterparts who are now traveling the US, all to protest government mask and isolation mandates, if they are obeying the government mandates to have working airbags in their vehicles and if they are obeying government mandates to buckle up their seat belts when on public roads.
I wonder if these people, like Mr. Porkncheese, have any idea what two-faced, duplicitous, hypocritical, know-nothings they actual are.

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Message 440 of 484 (894354)
05-13-2022 3:25 PM
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05-13-2022 2:36 PM


Re: Sleepy Joe was wrong, but not as wrong as....
I wonder if all those truckers whose convoy crippled traffic in Toronto for two weeks and their American counterparts who are now traveling the US, all to protest government mask and isolation mandates, if they are obeying the government mandates to have working airbags in their vehicles and if they are obeying government mandates to buckle up their seat belts when on public roads.
Or obey speed limits or other traffic signs and laws. Or refuse to have the government take away from their freedom to drive on whichever side of the road they feel like -- the red shine of those lane reflectors sure look pretty when you're driving against the traffic.

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Message 441 of 484 (894356)
05-13-2022 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 434 by Porkncheese
05-13-2022 1:30 AM


Re: Sleepy Joe was wrong, but not as wrong as....
Pork writes:
What im saying is that Biden was wrong.
All the politicians in my country were wrong.
The vaccine does not prevent you from getting covid nor does it work against spreading covid. That is a well known fact.
Don’t care about getting covid, you ass. It’s what your body does with it once it’s there. Biden was right. Without the vaccine you have a 1% - 2% chance of being dead and another 15% chance of being ventilated, intubated. Horse paste does nothing for you Porky.
With the vaccine, Pork, you have a 99.999% chance of not being dead and may have no symptoms at all.
So Ol’ Joe was right. Choke on it.
Also, being the consummate epidemiologist you are, you know that vaccine works by reducing the viral load, right? By several orders of magnitude. You knew that too, didn’t you. Then it shouldn’t surprise you to know that such a drastic reduction in the viral load across the population works … strongly … against spreading covid.
Works, strongly, against spreading covid. Of course it does. That’s what builds herd immunity. Helps keep the whole population safe.
You’re such an ignorant dickhead.
That is a well known fact.
Yeah. We can see.
I see a mid-term election coming up. We have to expect you and your other political hit-n-run members to come out in droves to lie to us all like you have done here. Tell us all how Biden and the left are the evil incarnate from Satan and how sweet Trump’s ass smells after he farts in your direction.
The right rises. God help us.

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Message 442 of 484 (894377)
05-14-2022 7:18 AM
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05-12-2022 8:58 AM


The covid case rate is beginning to rise more rapidly in the US, not just in the Northeast and the northern Midwest, but everywhere, just from a lower base. Here's images of the nationwide county case rate map for the 7th and the 14th of May. With just a casual glance they appear the same, but look more carefully. This is what the beginning of a surge or outbreak looks like.
Here's the recent Covid case rate graph for the nation, just the last six months or so:
Grocery store mask rate was maybe 10% yesterday, possibly 15%. It's going to get worse before it gets better. The only question is how much worse.
We took advantage of the good weather the last couple days to eat lunch out on outdoor patios. It was nice to be doing something normal again. None of our friends who recently caught covid had a severe case.
--Percy

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Message 443 of 484 (894387)
05-14-2022 1:14 PM


Graph of Deaths vs. Vaccination Status
This is from today's NYT (How America Lost One Million People):
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Message 444 of 484 (894389)
05-14-2022 2:53 PM
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05-14-2022 1:14 PM


Re: Graph of Deaths vs. Vaccination Status
Those graphs make it pretty hard for the antivaxxers to claim they are not PRO-DISEASE!

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Message 445 of 484 (894393)
05-14-2022 3:59 PM
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05-14-2022 2:53 PM


Re: Graph of Deaths vs. Vaccination Status
Tanypteryx writes:
Those graphs make it pretty hard for the antivaxxers to claim they are not PRO-DISEASE!
As my relative has made clear to me, information like that graph is just propaganda from the liberal news media, combined with their censoring of what's really going on. Covid's just an excuse for the Dems to impose their tyrannical authoritarianism. Twitter and Facebook ban anyone who tells the truth about covid. Fauci admitted he funded the covid research in Wuhan. Any covid was brought in by the Dems by importing illegal immigrants.
I think that about covers it.
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Message 446 of 484 (894394)
05-14-2022 5:10 PM
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05-14-2022 3:59 PM


Re: Graph of Deaths vs. Vaccination Status
Percy sadly writes:
As my relative has made clear to me, information like that graph is just propaganda from the liberal news media, combined with their censoring of what's really going on. Covid's just an excuse for the Dems to impose their tyrannical authoritarianism. Twitter and Facebook ban anyone who tells the truth about covid. Fauci admitted he funded the covid research in Wuhan. Any covid was brought in by the Dems by importing illegal immigrants.

I think that about covers it
it is truly sad how stubborn stupidity and ignorance are. and they wont change their minds, even when they are dying in the ICU beds.

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Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

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Message 447 of 484 (894395)
05-14-2022 5:43 PM
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Re: Graph of Deaths vs. Vaccination Status
The Christian Cult of Willful Ignorance and Deceit has become ubiquitous and insidious.

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Message 448 of 484 (894396)
05-15-2022 1:03 AM
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05-14-2022 1:14 PM


Re: Graph of Deaths vs. Vaccination Status
Is the average IQ of the US starting to edge up?
low starting point though

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Message 449 of 484 (894420)
05-15-2022 4:01 PM


So, seven days at sea and am now in NY. All crew had masks; maybe 10% of the passengers. Everybody that got onto the ship had to be triple vaxxed and third party tested. But there were six known cases on the ship.
Just walked through the street markets of Hell's Kitchen, No masks to speak of.

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Message 450 of 484 (894507)
05-18-2022 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 417 by Percy
05-07-2022 8:46 AM


Re: Pessimistic Projections
I don't know why I haven't posted my county's covid case rate in the past couple weeks, but this morning it is 46. Here's an Excel table of the values I've happened to note here since March. The numbers are a 7-day moving average of the number of cases per day.
Here's a graph of the same data showing a slowly accelerating rate of increase:
Mask wearing in the grocery store is still around 10%-15%. People are largely unaware of the state of the pandemic in our area.
The rate is likely far higher since many people now take home tests and don't report positive results to anyone. There's an article in today's Washington Post describing how we no longer have a handle how good/bad things are in the various regions of the country: How big is the latest U.S. coronavirus wave? No one really knows.. Since the article's behind a paywall and most people don't have access, here are a few excerpts:
quote
With public health authorities shifting their focus to covid-related hospitalizations as the pandemic’s U.S. death toll hits 1 million, people are largely on their own to gauge risk amid what could be a stealth surge.
Experts say Americans can assume infections in their communities are five to ten times higher than official counts.
“Any sort of look at the metrics on either a local, state or national level is a severe undercount,” said Jessica Malaty Rivera, an epidemiologist at the Pandemic Prevention Institute housed at The Rockefeller Foundation. “Everyone knows someone getting covid now.”
Hospitalizations nationally have increased 50 percent since bottoming out six weeks ago. But the roughly 23,000 patients with covid in hospitals over the last week still represent near the lowest hospitalization levels of the entire pandemic. The recent increase is driven by the Northeast, where hospitalization rates are almost twice as high as any other region.
Reported cases of covid have also tripled in the Northeast in just over a month, driving much of the growth nationally, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The country has averaged nearly 90,000 new cases each day over the past week — three times higher than the lowest point in March.
Covid hospitalizations have increased but remain low
Covid hospitalization have dipped to levels similar to early last summer just before the delta surge, matching the lowest levels of the pandemic.

--Percy

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