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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 100 of 278 (893891)
04-22-2022 11:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 94 by candle2
04-21-2022 6:19 PM
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candy2 writes: Do you know that every country on earth have myths about a global flood? Yeah, myths about a mythical flood, so what? Prove it. I have heard this general "every culture has a global flood myth" for a long time. Prove it. I bet you can't show us 10 flood myths. There is no evidence that there has ever been a global flood. There is absolutely no evidence that there has been a global flood in the last 10,000 years or indeed since humans evolved.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 104 of 278 (893896)
04-22-2022 2:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 103 by candle2
04-22-2022 2:27 PM
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This fictional bullshit does not belong in a science thread.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 114 of 278 (893906)
04-22-2022 8:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 106 by AZPaul3
04-22-2022 4:29 PM
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Your god is a sham. Your priests are charlatans and you have wasted your precious life in service to a monster. He's never going to get it if you keep pussy-footing around...
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 119 of 278 (893924)
04-23-2022 3:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 117 by dwise1
04-23-2022 1:13 PM
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dwise1 writes: Wickless, why are you dumping all this religion stuff into a science forum, especially when it has absolutely nothing to do with any discussion of science and especially with any discussion of evolution? This is the part that has always puzzled me about creationists. They believe all this vague mythical crap in the bible, but spend a crazy amount of time trying to twist science, and everything we already know, to support the just plain stupid notion that the physical evidence we can see, and that looks like it is the result of billions of years of natural, normal physical processes, is really the result of 6,000 years of those same natural, normal physical processes. Like candle, they all spout this religious mumbo-jumbo, but they don't really want to just say their "creation" is just FLASH>>>A MIRACLE!!!, instead they want it to have left physical evidence that they can point to as "proof", in their mistaken understanding of what science is and how it works. For reasons that can only be understood by a creationist, they and the whole belief system they have immersed their lives in feel imperiled by evolution, it absolutely terrifies them. If they just said it was a miracle, those of us who don't believe in miracles and who do use science would say, oh ok, and let them sort it out amongst themselves, but they are saying none of the science stuff we are learning is true AND that we are lying about it. And the evidence, in every field of science just keeps building. Hundreds of different specialized branches of science all find evidence supporting the fact that all life on this planet today is the result of thousands of millions (billions) of years of evolution. Candle and his cult won't look at or listen to the evidence, but none of them has conducted research that produces evidence to support any of their strawman attacks on evolution and certainly no evidence to support the biblical myths.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 122 of 278 (893929)
04-23-2022 5:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 121 by candle2
04-23-2022 5:04 PM
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candy2 writes: Jar, from what I've noticed, each discipline thinks that another discipline has the proof of evolution. Biologists think that paleontologists have the proof. Paleontologists think that geneticists have the proof. Geneticists think that archeologists have the proof. Archeologists think that geologists have the proof. Etc... Then you weren't paying attention! All those scientists know that all those other branches of science have evidence that supports evolution, Everyone knows everyone else has evidence! And amazingly it all fits together seamlessly, all of it! There is only one reason all that evidence supports the same conclusion, from all those different independent fields, and that is because it's true, evolution explains all life and its long history.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 124 of 278 (893931)
04-23-2022 5:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 121 by candle2
04-23-2022 5:04 PM
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candy2 writes: And, what makes someone thinks that these fossils were capable of doing what animals today can't do. And, that is to have offsprings who are of a different "kind." No one on the evolution side of the argument thinks that. No one studying fossils says that. No one studying animals says that. No one studying evolution says that.
YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE SAYING THIS. No one else thinks this is how evolution works, only you!
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 126 of 278 (893934)
04-23-2022 7:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 125 by candle2
04-23-2022 7:17 PM
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Without even a tiny smidgen of transitional
fossils some evolutionists are now looking
at the possibility of punctuated equilibrium,
which is basically rapid change. Nope, sorry but that is not true. The museums are full of thousands and thousands of transitional fossils. You guys just never, ever read the scientific journals where those fossils are reported and described and named. Punctuated Equilibrium has been known to be part of the Theory of Evolution since Gould and Eldredge published the first paper formally describing it 50 years ago. Punctuated Equilibrium has nothing to do with rapid change, but rather explains sudden appearance of specific fossils in the fossil record at specific locations. Do you seriously think we are going to defend your strawman views of evolution, punctuated equilibrium, geological dating, or fossil formation?
candt2 writes: In all recorded history neither of these two views has been observed. You are incorrect again. That's because you are looking for the wrong things because you don't know what Punctuated Equilibrium is. Once again, you never, ever even look at the journals where observations of evolution are reported, so you cannot support your false assertions. You should be embarrassed at the level of your ignorance.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 131 of 278 (893939)
04-23-2022 9:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 127 by candle2
04-23-2022 8:33 PM
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candy2 writes: I know what P-E is, and how long it has been around. There was no need for me to go into it in great detail. You understand what I was saying. Yes, I do understand what you said and I am saying that it is incorrect, because you mischaracterize what PE represents, and that shows that you don't know what you are talking about.
I do occasionally look over fossils, but there
are no transitional fossils. That sounds like a porky. I bet you would not be able to identify a single fossil without a label, so how could you possibly know what a transitional fossil looks like?
candy2 writes: If evolution were true, there would by necessity be hundreds of millions of transitional fossils. Well you can pull this kind of crap out of your ass as much as you want, but what makes you an authority on how many fossils there should be?
If Darwin were alive today and was able to see
the complexity of the simple cell, he would feel
like a complete fool. Your reasoning on everything else has been shown to be flawed so I wouldn't expect your prediction have any validity either. First off, I imagine he would be quite surprised and feel lucky to have lived so long and learned so much. And he would be amazed and proud of the progress we have made in understanding biology and confirming evolution.
candy2 writes: And, after all these decade and still no transitional fossils, he would drop to his knees and beg God for forgiveness. Naw, he would be like a kid in a candy store and he would be saddened to see the childish lengths you creationists will go to, to continue deluding yourselves. Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 138 of 278 (894001)
04-28-2022 11:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 135 by dwise1
04-28-2022 11:06 AM
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Re: Questions for candle2
So candle2 must present that evidence for creation! No creationist has ever done so, nor has ever even attempted it. It is painfully obvious that there is absolutely NO evidence for creation, so they will never be able to present anything. And it is also obvious that everyone who believes the creationist crap do not have the intellect to even come up with imaginary evidence that would convince a 9 year old (I use 9 year old, because by that time almost all kids realize Santa Claus is imaginary) that divine creation is really a thing.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 139 of 278 (894002)
04-28-2022 11:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 136 by candle2
04-28-2022 11:24 AM
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candy2 writes: Humans have not observed one species of animal evolving into another species of animal (organism). Humans have no transitional fossils, when we should have tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions. Imagine that; perhaps over 8,000,000 different types of organisms, and not even one intermediate fossil. Repeating your lies has not made any of the millions of transitional fossils in museums around the planet disappear. It just makes you look like an incredibly stupid liar. Evolution is the crown jewel of biology! Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 144 of 278 (894122)
05-02-2022 3:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 143 by candle2
05-02-2022 3:10 PM
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Show me empirical proof that one "kind" of animal
can/has produce(d) an animal of a different "kind." That is NOT EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone keeps telling you that is not evolution! Everyone keeps telling you that is not what the Theory of Evolution says! Everyone keeps telling you that that is not how evolution happens. No one is ever going to show you any proof of that, because that never happens.
Good grief, what is the matter with you?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 176 of 278 (894230)
05-07-2022 1:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 166 by candle2
05-06-2022 11:16 AM
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candy2 writes: Examples of polystrata fossils are found across the entire globe. They are the results of a global flood. No they are not. Multiple people have predicted that you will not be able to show us a single documented example of a polystrata fossil in sedimentary layers that have been dated correctly. The scope of your knowledge really sucks. You should be embarrassed. You have been caught, repeatedly lying to cover up your breathtaking ignorance of basic knowledge, yet we can see how proud you are of yourself.
candy2 writes: They are the results of a global flood. I want you to fix this fact (and it is a fact) firmly in your mind and that what is happening in Spirit Lake is observable science-real science; not science that is polluted by presuppositions. Oh gosh, it turns out Spirit Lake is not a global flood and real observable science, that you cited, proves you incorrect about global floods and fossils and geology. You have no supporting evidence whatsoever and the polluting presuppositions are all yours.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 200 of 278 (894357)
05-13-2022 5:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 197 by candle2
05-13-2022 2:02 PM
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Re: SHOW US, candle2!
candy writes: Do you know all that there is to know about the universe? Do you know 50% of all there is to know? How about 25%, or 10%. I think it is safe to say that humans know less than 1% of all there is to know about the universe. You have a very strange and unorthodox view of knowledge. How do you propose someone would calculate how much knowledge they have? If you do not know how much knowledge there is about the Universe how could you possible calculate what percentage you know?
candy writes: I think it is safe to say that humans know less than 1% of all there is to know about the universe. Really? So you have quantified everything that all humans have learned, and then calculated the percentage of all possible knowledge? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
candy writes: Since we know so little, how can we possbly know what happened 4.5 billion years ago, or 1 billion years ago, or 100 million years ago, or even 10,000 years ago? Actually, it's just YOU who knows so little. The stuff we don't know yet does not stop us from looking at the evidence that we do have. It does not tell us everything, which is great, because it keeps us exploring and experimenting and discovering new evidence. It just keeps adding up. Little discoveries in every field of science. New evidence, and it always supports evolution, every single time. And evolution is NEVER one species of animal giving birth to a different species. NOT EVER!
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 209 of 278 (894484)
05-17-2022 2:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 207 by candle2
05-17-2022 12:39 PM
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Re: SHOW US, candle2!
candy writes: I have seen hundreds of stars, etc..., admit to having sold their souls to Satan in order to get what their hearts most desired. I don't believe you. Name them all! People who have what their heart desires all know you cannot buy it, it has to be earned by their own efforts, otherwise it is worthless!
candy writes: Only God can provide absolute proof that He is our Creator. He can convince an individual beyond a shadow of a doubt that He exists. Yeah, it should be super easy for a god, and yet not a single shred of proof. Your god is pathetic if it can't even show it exists. I have not seen a single attempt. It's pure fiction without any evidence whatsoever. Edited by Tanypteryx, . Edited by Tanypteryx, .
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 215 of 278 (894490)
05-17-2022 4:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 214 by candle2
05-17-2022 4:25 PM
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Re: SHOW US, candle2!
candy writes: If you really want to see the evidence do the research on YouTube. Nope! You made a claim and I asked you to show your evidence. If you cannot produce the evidence then you are a liar!
candy writes: Thousands of posters that famous magicians have had printed up clearly shows demons whispering in their ears, or sitting on their shoulders. Show us. Prove it.
candy writes: Do an in depth research of famous personalities who have sold their soul (life) to Satan and you see that the number who have done so grows and grows. You make this assertion, but cannot provide a single name, let alone hundreds. You made the claim, but it still looks like you lied.
candy writes: I dare you to do the research. Take your time and do it right. Perhaps, your eyes will then begin to open. You made the claim, so show us your evidence, any evidence at all. I could not find anything.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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