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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8552 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Humans should have learned by now... What did you expect after 5000 years of religious zealotry having a lock on the human psyche? We are used to the religious answer being to kill everything we don't like. We've only been doing this Enlightenment thing for 300+- years. There's a lot of broken minds in this species and will take many more generations to overcome.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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lies and exaggerated falsehoods I have to ask, what is an exaggerated falsehood?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I have to ask, what is an exaggerated falsehood? When Jerome Powell says that the Fed has the tools to check inflation and that the economy and the dollar are sound."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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I will admit to being nervous over the possibility of a one-world secular manifesto. You mean something like "All humans have the same rights and responsibilities, no matter their sex, skin color, regional origin, or wealth"? Or "Taxes are the price of civilization"? ABE: I don't know how this happened...this post was meant as a reply to Phat's Message 675Edited by Tanypteryx, . Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Ok, now I understand. You mean alternate facts, right?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Yes. Just because the Fed says it does not make it automatically true or factual.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Yes. Just because the Fed says it does not make it automatically true or factual. I would say that applies in every situation, truth should never be automatically assumed, but you switched from diplomatic "exaggerated falsehoods" to "truth" of what the Fed says.
Message 675I would go so far as to say that in any diplomatic situation, lies and exaggerated falsehoods are usually involved by at least one party. So, I'm not sure if you are saying we can never trust what the other side says in diplomatic situations, or that since WE always lie in diplomatic situations we should assume that everyone else also lies in diplomatic situations, and that we should never trust anything the Fed says in diplomatic situations? You do realize that saying lies and exaggerated falsehoods in the same sentence is the same as saying lies and damned lies, right? It's just you trying to make it sound like you are providing more details to your post without actually providing more details.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You do realize that saying lies and exaggerated falsehoods in the same sentence is the same as saying lies and damned lies, right? It's just you trying to make it sound like you are providing more details to your post without actually providing more details. Duly noted. I was not trying to sound that way. I think my point is that the financial community seems to hang on the Fed's words as gospel and it ain't necessarily so. Frankly, I think they try to sway public opinion and perception as a tool unto itself."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Unlikely to happen. Secularists don't march in lock-step.
I will admit to being nervous over the possibility of a one-world secular manifesto. Phat writes:
I don't think that's true.
ringo writes:
I will try and discuss it, but keep in mind that humans, in general, tend to lie. You refuse resolutely to discuss the idea that your apologists are liars. Phat writes:
And in context, that party is the apologists. I would go so far as to say that in any diplomatic situation, lies and exaggerated falsehoods are usually involved by at least one party."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
How's that gold and crypto doing? Maybe you should have bought a tanker truck of oil. Just about as useful.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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I will admit to being nervous over the possibility of a one-world secular manifesto. You mean something like "All humans have the same rights and responsibilities, no matter their sex, skin color, regional origin, or wealth"? Or "Taxes are the price of civilization"?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Starting from Message 114
jar writes: Never (according to you). But stop and think. How do you question and challenge and test those beliefs?Yes, I don't doubt that you believe you actually met God, yet you never explain how you determine that it is god and not a bad burrito or even more likely, Satan. And once again, the actual topic is " When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?" Do you ever plan on addressing the topic? Since 5-12-2020 the world has changed. We have our war in Ukraine. We have Vlad The Condemned threatening nuclear war. The facts show that even a limited exchange of such weapons would likely escalate. You know your history. Look at World War I and how a complex system of treaties and promises pulled the nations into an eventual semi-global conflict. And all because of some assassination. Does NATO have treaty obligations? Is Biden being a good leader by careless statements such as Biden’s Taiwan defense pledge inflames U.S.-China relations The Doom & Gloomers have their negative view also, but in this video at least, some good points are raised.
Partial Transcript:quote Even our very own anti-theist, AZPaul3, acknowledges that climate change is occurring far more rapidly than human attempts at mitigation and society is hopelessly behind the curve. You often say that "we will get the world that we want" but I highly doubt anybody wants this."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: You often say that "we will get the world that we want" but I highly doubt anybody wants this. And that is a great summary of the problem. The fact is that people, particularly the Christian Cult of Willful Ignorance and Deceit want. You what. But what is missing is any evidence that the Christian Cult of Willful Ignorance and Deceit want to do the work to get what they want. The issue is that a very large percentage of our population both in the US and worldwide will not choose to do the work needed. What the want is "Holy Jeeves".My Website: My Website
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
The collapse of society is rapidly accelerating.
Nonsense."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: You of course mention the CCoWI. The issue is that a very large percentage of our population both in the US and worldwide will not choose to do the work needed.Keep in mind that not all of them are Fox News Conservatives. The fact is that many Christians, Jews, and Muslims contribute vast amounts of money to causes that they feel are worthy. Granted, so do Atheists. In regards to climate change and the work required to mitigate it, I believe that we all have failed so far...not just the religious folk. Only this year did the state even start charging for the use of plastic bags! It really is slow to catch on. Apart from recycling and increased use of electric vehicles, the only other priority which you might have mentioned before is political involvement and you know that society never has had a consensus on that. I mentioned Biden's recent Taiwan Gaffe and heard no response from any Democrats. Had Trump said something stupid like that the forum would be full of responses. So in regards to what we (you) want, just what type of leader do we want/need? In Apologetic Christian mythos, the anti-christ gives the people what they want and they don't catch on until it's too late! But all politics aside... I have often spoken of the inflation and devaluation of the US Dollar and Western money. You guys seem to think I have no clue, but I think it is you who will see the problem soon.BRIC (Brazil, Russia, China, India) are pulling away from the US Dollar and the Fiat Money system is being challenged. Part of the problem in my opinion is that many of the citizens see no problem printing more money when it goes to worthy causes and not simply to line Oligarchs' pockets. Finally, we have ringo. He expects that problems will get solved once the Christians sell all that they have and feed, clothe, and comfort the masses. With inflation increasing and the net worth of US citizens declining in real purchasing power, I see little expectation that we will do anything more than get desperate to preserve our vanishing ways of life. And if anyone is going to give up more resources...either through taxation or moral charge, EVERYONE has to do it...not just the church folk."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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