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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
ringo
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Message 2654 of 3207 (881676)
08-27-2020 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2649 by ICANT
08-26-2020 1:48 PM


Re: [qs=Re: After We Die
ICANT writes:
ringo writes:
First, a lot of that "information" is wrong.
Be specific. What did I say that was wrong.
I was referring to the "information" that you cited in Message 2643:
The life of the flesh is in the blood. Leviticus 17:11
Anybody can see that living things die if they lose too much blood.
Earth is round not flat. God sitteth upon the circle of the earth. Isaiah 40:22
A circle is flat.
Universe expanding. He stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Isaiah 40.22
Curtains and tents don't expand. They unfold.
Single land mass at one time. Genesis 1:9
It doesn't say that. It says the WATER was in one place
Land mass divided. Genesis 10:25
That isn't about land masses. It's a just-so story about why people speak different languages.
He gave us the definition of a day. Genesis 1:5
He gave three different difinitions in Genesis 1-2.
ICANT writes:
Maybe according to you but not according to the Hebrew language.
You know nothing about the Hebrew language.
ICANT writes:
ringo writes:
I'll stick with the translators.
I put my pants on the same way they do, one leg at the time.
That doesn't give you any expertise in the Hebrew language

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2655 of 3207 (881677)
08-27-2020 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2651 by Phat
08-27-2020 8:34 AM


Re: WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE
Phat writes:
The Creator of all seen and unseen would logically be called a WHAT were it not for the human Jesus Christ who scripture tells us was in the beginning with God.
Scripture doesn't say that. Apologists do.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2657 of 3207 (881718)
08-27-2020 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2656 by Phat
08-27-2020 3:21 PM


Re: WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE
Phat writes:
The Word is Jesus Christ. Care to argue?
Of course. "The word" is the message.
Phat writes:
It is obvious.
Nope. Not at all.
Phat writes:
And note that as many as received Him to them He gave the right to become children of God.
That ties in with Matthew 25. The ones who recieved the message, the ones who lived the message, became the children of God. The ones who only mouthed, Lord! Lord!, the ones like you who rejected the Word (message), did not become the children of God.
Phat writes:
Not simply everybody. Everybody did not receive Him.
You don't know that. Nobody can know that until the judgement.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2661 of 3207 (881754)
08-28-2020 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2658 by Phat
08-28-2020 2:29 PM


Re: WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE
Phat writes:
That scripture does not refer to the message.
Do some Bible study. "The word of the Lord" is a pretty common phrase in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. It clearly refers to actual words - i.e. messages. If you can find a place where it refers to a person, let me know.
It makes sense that the message was around since the beginning. Calling Jesus "the Word" makes no sense.
Phat writes:
The message would never be described as a "He".
The incarnation of the message was a He.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2662 of 3207 (881755)
08-28-2020 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2659 by ICANT
08-28-2020 3:44 PM


Re: [qs=Re: After We Die
ICANT writes:
Why do you die if you lose too much blood?
The Bible has no special knowledge about that. It doesn't mention the blood carrying oxygen to the cells. It doesn't mention cells at all.
ICANT writes:
Moses was correct. If you disagree give your reasons the life of the flesh is not in the blood.
He didn't need any special knowledge to know it. Everybody knows it.
ICANT writes:
ringo writes:
A circle is flat.
Are you saying the earth is flat?
The Bible says that God sits on the circle of the earth - i.e. the Bible says the earth is flat.
ICANT writes:
Just like the universe was expanded.
No, not just like the universe. The universe is still expanding. The tent is not.
ICANT writes:
Well if it was all in one place there was none one the land anywhere. Which would have made the land in one place.
No. The water could be in one place with thousands of islands in it.
ICANT writes:
He scattered them abroad across the earth. He did not divide them.
You can't scatter without dividing.
ICANT writes:
What three definitions?
1. The first day, the second day, the third day, etc. (24 hours)
2. The light He called Day (approximately 12 hours) and the darkness He called Night.
3. The "day" of creation (6 twenty-four-hour days).
ICANT writes:
Then take any scripture I have commented on in the last 10 years using the Hebrew language and show me where what I said was wrong.
That's been done many times in every thread you've mentioned Hebrew in.
ICANT writes:
Well my teachers who taught me enough for me to receive a Bible Language degree would probably disagree with you. But you wouldn't believe them as you don't believe anyone but ringo as you are your own God and know everything.
On the contrary, I believe the translators over you.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2664 of 3207 (881762)
08-29-2020 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2663 by Phat
08-29-2020 5:35 AM


Re: WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Calling Jesus "the Word" makes no sense.
Ill have to study this one a bit more.It makes sense to me, but I cannot yet explain why. Perhaps you can explain why it makes no sense to you.
I already gave you a hint: Look up the word "word". Look up phrases like "the word of God" and "the word of the Lord".
They usually refer to actual words. They are in the context of preaching the word, hearing the word, etc. There are a couple of places where the word "word" could be construed as referring to Jesus - but there are also a couple of places where the word AND Jesus are mentioned as if they were two separate things.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2673 of 3207 (881791)
08-30-2020 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2665 by Raphael
08-30-2020 12:53 AM


Re: WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE
Raphael writes:
It makes sense that this phrase seems like nonsense, ringo, but it actually has history and context within the christian tradition.
It makes sense as written. I couldn't care less what "Christian tradition" tries to twist it into.
Raphael writes:
Hope this makes sense.
It really doesn't.
What does make sense is if "the Word" refers to words.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 2674 of 3207 (881793)
08-30-2020 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2671 by Phat
08-30-2020 1:58 PM


Re: WORD UP: What does the phrase mean in the Gospel Of John 1:1---->
Phat writes:
Otherwise we may as well quit playing games and simply call ourselves humanists.
That would certainly be a step up.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 2699 of 3207 (885052)
03-20-2021 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2693 by Raphael
03-19-2021 8:15 PM


Re: Einstein's God of Spinoza
Raphael writes:
Much love friends (even you Ringo! lolol)
Thanks for singling me out. I didn't know I was such a nemesis.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 2758 of 3207 (893336)
04-05-2022 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 2756 by Godblog
04-05-2022 8:45 AM


Godblog writes:
If I exist something created me...
By that logic, something must have created god.
Godblog writes:
... god is defined as creator of the universe.
Creator is an attribute of some gods. Most of the Egyptian and Greek/Roman gods were not creators.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 2769 of 3207 (894621)
05-24-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 2766 by Dredge
05-11-2022 1:33 AM


Dredge writes:
On a scale of 1-10, how happy does it make you to "know" that
God doesn't exist?
It doesn't give me any satisfaction to know I'm smarter than you.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2775 of 3207 (894659)
05-25-2022 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2772 by Phat
05-24-2022 3:25 PM


Re: How So?
Phat writes:
How are you smarter than Dredge? What edge do you have?
Critical thinking.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2780 of 3207 (894680)
05-26-2022 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 2778 by Phat
05-25-2022 8:20 PM


Re: How So?
Phat writes:
Well, I'm critical of your thinking!
No you're not. Criricism requires resoning. Your disagreement with my conclusions is based on wishful thinking, not reasoning.
Phat writes:
If belief is in last place, you would need evidence that God did not exist.
Nonsense. We don't need evidence for non-existence. Non-existence is the default. We don't need evidence for non-existence of Long John Silver or Holden Caulfield or Frodo Baggins.
Phat writes:
You yourself spent 30+ posts arguing with Stile that he didn't *know* that God did not exist...
That argument had nothing to do with the existence of God. It was about knowledge.
Phat writes:
... yet you tell me that you have evidence that negates the need for any belief!
When did I say that?
I have evidence that your belief is empty - your posts here on EvC - but your "need" for belief is pretty obvious. Even if it was proven beyond any reasonable doubt that your God doesn't exist, you would still have a "need" for some god, whether it was Zeus or gold. Your belief in gods is an addiction.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2781 of 3207 (894681)
05-26-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 2777 by Phat
05-25-2022 8:17 PM


Re: Fixed it for you Phat.
Phat writes:
Our hypothetical Grandmother does not just sit on her blessed assurances and talk to God every day. She has a life. She raised a family. Her children knew her to be a tough old broad but they also witnessed her prayer life at times. She didn't expect the government to fix her problems.
And yet the government did fix her problems, repeatedly. Her "prayer life" (I hate that phrase) didn't.
Phat writes:
She wisely avoided most of them anyway.
You misspelled "stupidly". Her refusal to accept the government's help does not diminish the practical usefulness of the humanist system.
Phat writes:
My example of a catastrophe would be if she had lived in Ukraine, for example, and if the irrational actions of Russia and Putin scared most of her neighbors off. She saw the helicopter, the motorboat and the rescuers whom God sent to help her act. She took full advantage of His blessings and she trusted that her prayers were answered.
You're completely missing the point of the story. She refused the "blessings" sent by her fellow humans and stupidly waited for God to poof her out of trouble.
And it didn't happen. She died at the end of the story.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2797 of 3207 (894722)
05-27-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 2782 by Phat
05-26-2022 2:14 PM


Re: Fixed it for you Phat.
Phat writes:
My point is that your order (belief being in last place )is completely backward.
And your point is completely wrong.
Phat writes:
We don't pray and then wait.
The lady in the story did. She waited when her rescuers were staring her in the face. She waited until she died.
Phat writes:
It is not one or the other. We pray and then act.
Nonsense. The idea is NOT to act for yourself because you have "faith" in God to act for you. That's what Jesus said. That's what the lady in the story did.
Phat writes:
You would have us simply acting in humanist unison (as if there even were such a thing) and ignore God except as an afterthought.
It's not what I would have you do. It's what Jesus would have you do. It's what the lady in the story did.
Phat writes:
You often claim that God has never evidentially shown up. I would markedly disagree.
So show us the evidence.
Phat writes:
God is Spirit. Humanism has no collective spirit apart from an imaginary one.
And God is also imaginary. The difference is that humanism gets things done, with or without a "collective spirit".
Phat writes:
Why do you think politics is always divided?
Because there are different ways of achieving the same goals.
Phat writes:
Why do you think that a unified world (apart from a NATO military alliance) is never within reach?
What do you even mean by "a unified world"?
Phat writes:
Yet you would rather hide behind the fact that since you don't believe God exists, you can hide from spiritual unity except on your own terms.
And what does "spiritual unity" mean?
Phat writes:
A Global Communion without God is in reality a countterfeit.
I couldn't care less about "Global Communion", so I don't know why you're rattling on about it.
But of course, your God IS a counterfeit and your "communion with Him is a counterfeit. And your idea that the world "needs" (your) god is just silly.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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