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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
I was referring to the "information" that you cited in Message 2643:
ringo writes:
Be specific. What did I say that was wrong. First, a lot of that "information" is wrong.The life of the flesh is in the blood. Leviticus 17:11
Anybody can see that living things die if they lose too much blood.
Earth is round not flat. God sitteth upon the circle of the earth. Isaiah 40:22
A circle is flat.
Universe expanding. He stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Isaiah 40.22
Curtains and tents don't expand. They unfold.
Single land mass at one time. Genesis 1:9
It doesn't say that. It says the WATER was in one place
Land mass divided. Genesis 10:25
That isn't about land masses. It's a just-so story about why people speak different languages.
He gave us the definition of a day. Genesis 1:5
He gave three different difinitions in Genesis 1-2.
ICANT writes:
You know nothing about the Hebrew language.
Maybe according to you but not according to the Hebrew language. ICANT writes:
That doesn't give you any expertise in the Hebrew language ringo writes:
I put my pants on the same way they do, one leg at the time. I'll stick with the translators."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Scripture doesn't say that. Apologists do. The Creator of all seen and unseen would logically be called a WHAT were it not for the human Jesus Christ who scripture tells us was in the beginning with God."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Of course. "The word" is the message.
The Word is Jesus Christ. Care to argue? Phat writes:
Nope. Not at all.
It is obvious. Phat writes:
That ties in with Matthew 25. The ones who recieved the message, the ones who lived the message, became the children of God. The ones who only mouthed, Lord! Lord!, the ones like you who rejected the Word (message), did not become the children of God.
And note that as many as received Him to them He gave the right to become children of God. Phat writes:
You don't know that. Nobody can know that until the judgement. Not simply everybody. Everybody did not receive Him."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Do some Bible study. "The word of the Lord" is a pretty common phrase in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. It clearly refers to actual words - i.e. messages. If you can find a place where it refers to a person, let me know. That scripture does not refer to the message. It makes sense that the message was around since the beginning. Calling Jesus "the Word" makes no sense.
Phat writes:
The incarnation of the message was a He. The message would never be described as a "He"."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
The Bible has no special knowledge about that. It doesn't mention the blood carrying oxygen to the cells. It doesn't mention cells at all.
Why do you die if you lose too much blood? ICANT writes:
He didn't need any special knowledge to know it. Everybody knows it.
Moses was correct. If you disagree give your reasons the life of the flesh is not in the blood. ICANT writes:
The Bible says that God sits on the circle of the earth - i.e. the Bible says the earth is flat.
ringo writes:
Are you saying the earth is flat? A circle is flat. ICANT writes:
No, not just like the universe. The universe is still expanding. The tent is not.
Just like the universe was expanded. ICANT writes:
No. The water could be in one place with thousands of islands in it.
Well if it was all in one place there was none one the land anywhere. Which would have made the land in one place. ICANT writes:
You can't scatter without dividing.
He scattered them abroad across the earth. He did not divide them. ICANT writes:
1. The first day, the second day, the third day, etc. (24 hours) What three definitions?2. The light He called Day (approximately 12 hours) and the darkness He called Night. 3. The "day" of creation (6 twenty-four-hour days). ICANT writes:
That's been done many times in every thread you've mentioned Hebrew in.
Then take any scripture I have commented on in the last 10 years using the Hebrew language and show me where what I said was wrong. ICANT writes:
On the contrary, I believe the translators over you. Well my teachers who taught me enough for me to receive a Bible Language degree would probably disagree with you. But you wouldn't believe them as you don't believe anyone but ringo as you are your own God and know everything."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I already gave you a hint: Look up the word "word". Look up phrases like "the word of God" and "the word of the Lord". ringo writes:
Ill have to study this one a bit more.It makes sense to me, but I cannot yet explain why. Perhaps you can explain why it makes no sense to you. Calling Jesus "the Word" makes no sense. They usually refer to actual words. They are in the context of preaching the word, hearing the word, etc. There are a couple of places where the word "word" could be construed as referring to Jesus - but there are also a couple of places where the word AND Jesus are mentioned as if they were two separate things."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Raphael writes:
It makes sense as written. I couldn't care less what "Christian tradition" tries to twist it into.
It makes sense that this phrase seems like nonsense, ringo, but it actually has history and context within the christian tradition. Raphael writes:
It really doesn't. Hope this makes sense. What does make sense is if "the Word" refers to words."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That would certainly be a step up. Otherwise we may as well quit playing games and simply call ourselves humanists."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Raphael writes:
Thanks for singling me out. I didn't know I was such a nemesis. Much love friends (even you Ringo! lolol)"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Godblog writes:
By that logic, something must have created god.
If I exist something created me... Godblog writes:
Creator is an attribute of some gods. Most of the Egyptian and Greek/Roman gods were not creators. ... god is defined as creator of the universe."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
It doesn't give me any satisfaction to know I'm smarter than you. On a scale of 1-10, how happy does it make you to "know" thatGod doesn't exist? "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Critical thinking. How are you smarter than Dredge? What edge do you have?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No you're not. Criricism requires resoning. Your disagreement with my conclusions is based on wishful thinking, not reasoning.
Well, I'm critical of your thinking! Phat writes:
Nonsense. We don't need evidence for non-existence. Non-existence is the default. We don't need evidence for non-existence of Long John Silver or Holden Caulfield or Frodo Baggins.
If belief is in last place, you would need evidence that God did not exist. Phat writes:
That argument had nothing to do with the existence of God. It was about knowledge.
You yourself spent 30+ posts arguing with Stile that he didn't *know* that God did not exist... Phat writes:
When did I say that? ... yet you tell me that you have evidence that negates the need for any belief! I have evidence that your belief is empty - your posts here on EvC - but your "need" for belief is pretty obvious. Even if it was proven beyond any reasonable doubt that your God doesn't exist, you would still have a "need" for some god, whether it was Zeus or gold. Your belief in gods is an addiction."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And yet the government did fix her problems, repeatedly. Her "prayer life" (I hate that phrase) didn't.
Our hypothetical Grandmother does not just sit on her blessed assurances and talk to God every day. She has a life. She raised a family. Her children knew her to be a tough old broad but they also witnessed her prayer life at times. She didn't expect the government to fix her problems. Phat writes:
You misspelled "stupidly". Her refusal to accept the government's help does not diminish the practical usefulness of the humanist system.
She wisely avoided most of them anyway. Phat writes:
You're completely missing the point of the story. She refused the "blessings" sent by her fellow humans and stupidly waited for God to poof her out of trouble. My example of a catastrophe would be if she had lived in Ukraine, for example, and if the irrational actions of Russia and Putin scared most of her neighbors off. She saw the helicopter, the motorboat and the rescuers whom God sent to help her act. She took full advantage of His blessings and she trusted that her prayers were answered. And it didn't happen. She died at the end of the story."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And your point is completely wrong.
My point is that your order (belief being in last place )is completely backward. Phat writes:
The lady in the story did. She waited when her rescuers were staring her in the face. She waited until she died.
We don't pray and then wait. Phat writes:
Nonsense. The idea is NOT to act for yourself because you have "faith" in God to act for you. That's what Jesus said. That's what the lady in the story did.
It is not one or the other. We pray and then act. Phat writes:
It's not what I would have you do. It's what Jesus would have you do. It's what the lady in the story did.
You would have us simply acting in humanist unison (as if there even were such a thing) and ignore God except as an afterthought. Phat writes:
So show us the evidence.
You often claim that God has never evidentially shown up. I would markedly disagree. Phat writes:
And God is also imaginary. The difference is that humanism gets things done, with or without a "collective spirit".
God is Spirit. Humanism has no collective spirit apart from an imaginary one. Phat writes:
Because there are different ways of achieving the same goals.
Why do you think politics is always divided? Phat writes:
What do you even mean by "a unified world"?
Why do you think that a unified world (apart from a NATO military alliance) is never within reach? Phat writes:
And what does "spiritual unity" mean?
Yet you would rather hide behind the fact that since you don't believe God exists, you can hide from spiritual unity except on your own terms. Phat writes:
I couldn't care less about "Global Communion", so I don't know why you're rattling on about it. A Global Communion without God is in reality a countterfeit. But of course, your God IS a counterfeit and your "communion with Him is a counterfeit. And your idea that the world "needs" (your) god is just silly."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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