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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I asked you to look up "liberal" in the BIBLE. I did my homework out of semi-desperation this morning. I didn't expect you to do it, so I did it for you. Here is every reference (in the KJV) to the word "liberal":
quote And here are references to variations - e.g. "liberality", "liberally":
quote It looks to me like the Bible has a pretty positive attitudes toward liberals.
Phat writes:
Well, the Bible is against your personal beliefs.
Why I get so mad at "Liberals" has been partly because I have felt that they (you) were against me and my personal beliefs... Phat writes:
I keep asking you, why wouldn't you do what Jesus told you to do?
... and expected me to listen to "what Jesus" told me to do. Phat writes:
Not very ironic. Unbelievers tend to be more honest than believers. Ironic that this edict comes from a group of unbelievers!"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle, I know that you often chide me for preaching Doom. I dont mean to be negative---only realistic. I peruse hundreds of You Tube videos...most of which I dont agree with. Some of the ones that I think are quite plausible are shared with you here. None of them are religious. And I think that all of them are backed by science. If anyone either watches some of the content or the transcripts, feel free to comment. I doubt you will be able to prove that these videos are not plausible.
Who Controls All Our Money? Devastating Solar Storm Hits Earth The San Andreas Fault: Disaster About to Strike]The San Andreas Fault: Disaster About to Strike Yellowstone: Big Volcano Ready to Erupt Volcanic Hyper Eruption In my opinion, humans are likely to exasperate their own demise with or without scientific evidence of upcoming disasters, which could well be ten thousand years in the future. Two things irritate me for better or worse. One, which the facts show as likely, a financial collapse will occur within our lifetimes. And this alone could trigger further global wars.And even with no God, no apocalypse and no religious judgment, there are many events which could challenge humanity. So here we all are. ringo claims that I, as the "Christian" am commanded by Jesus to give everything up. No one else here is so commanded. And yet I fear that you dont understand reality vs gambling. (im slowly learning!) My question to all of you is this: Is humanity ready to cooperate should chaos erupt?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Why I get so mad at "Liberals" has been partly because I have felt that they (you) were against me and my personal beliefs and expected me to listen to "what Jesus" told me to do. Just to be clear, I am not against you or against your personal beliefs. You are entitled to those. Nobody is telling you what you should do. They are just reminding you of what Jesus taught.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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My question to all of you is this: Is humanity ready to cooperate should chaos erupt? The liberals are ready to cooperate. I very much doubt that the conservatives are ready.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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So here we all are. ringo claims that I, as the "Christian" am commanded by Jesus to give everything up. No one else here is so commanded.
why would those of us who aren't christians give a single solitary fuck for what jesus commands? you claim to be a follower of his, it's your job to, y'know, follow.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Phat writes: Tangle, I know that you often chide me for preaching Doom. I dont mean to be negative---only realistic. I peruse hundreds of You Tube videos...most of which I dont agree with. Some of the ones that I think are quite plausible are shared with you here. None of them are religious. And I think that all of them are backed by science. If anyone either watches some of the content or the transcripts, feel free to comment. I doubt you will be able to prove that these videos are not plausible. Do you think it's healthy to spend so much time searching out disaster movies? You're just sinking into self-focused madness. Nothing's changed Phat. The chance of an asteroid wiping out civilisation is the same as it has been for millions of years. There's nothing you can do about it except follow the teachings of the guy you profess to believe in or, like all the rest of us, just make the best of the life you have now.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Who has disputed any of those things here? Devastating Solar Storm Hits Earth The San Andreas Fault: Disaster About to Strike]The San Andreas Fault: Disaster About to Strike Yellowstone: Big Volcano Ready to Erupt Volcanic Hyper Eruption But you're being dishonest. You've been talikng about Who Controls All Our Money? here and there is no easy answer to that question. Will solar storms cause devastation? Yes. Will earthquakes devastate California? Yes. Will the Yellowstone volcano erupt? Yes. Who controls our money? Well, I have pretty good control over my wallet. You'd have to point a gun at me to get control of it. But I don't have control over what a dollar is worth. And I don't have control over how many dollars the government takes from me. Those things are effected by floods, fires and famine. Wars and rumours of war. But you're trying to make connections between all of those complications and your God, who does not exist. Those imaginary connections are what people are arguing with you.
Phat writes:
Ten thousand years in the future doesn't concern me much. I'm more concerned about ten years in the future.
In my opinion, humans are likely to exasperate their own demise with or without scientific evidence of upcoming disasters, which could well be ten thousand years in the future. Phat writes:
I've been trying to tell you, financial collapses happen all the time. I keep hearing about a "crash" that happened in 2008 - but I never even noticed it at the time. (It may have been when I didn't have a TV.)
Two things irritate me for better or worse. One, which the facts show as likely, a financial collapse will occur within our lifetimes. Phat writes:
How do you fight a war after a financial collapse? And if you can still fight wars, why can't you still do all of the other things that humans do?
And this alone could trigger further global wars. Phat writes:
And humanity has never had challenges before?
And even with no God, no apocalypse and no religious judgment, there are many events which could challenge humanity. Phat writes:
It's not a "claim". It's what the Bible says. If there is such a things as a theme that permeates the entire Bible, it's trust in God, not yourself.
ringo claims that I, as the "Christian" am commanded by Jesus to give everything up. Phat writes:
Dredge is so commanded. Faith is so commanded, even though she might dispute that Dredge is so commanded, since he's a satan-worshipping Catholic. No one else here is so commanded. I'll say this again, on the off-chance that it might get through your thick skull:
Those of us who don't believe Jesus and/or God exist have no reason to obey Him/Them. Why is that so hard to understand?
Phat writes:
You should stop fearing what we don't understand and make more of an attempt to understand yourself.
And yet I fear that you dont understand.... Phat writes:
My answer is the same as it has always been: We have to be. Nobody's going to do it for us. My question to all of you is this: Is humanity ready to cooperate should chaos erupt? I don't know why you keep asking the same questions over and over again. Do you expect to get different answers?"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
[tongue-in-cheek]
ringo writes: I've been trying to tell you, financial collapses happen all the time. Phat's is the correct view of reality, which is contained in Youtube videos - we all know that!
How do you fight a war after a financial collapse? And if you can still fight wars, why can't you still do all of the other things that humans do? We all know that financial collapses send everyone back to living in caves.
And humanity has never had challenges before? But these are different.
I'll say this again, on the off-chance that it might get through your thick skull: Images of Don Quixote tilting with windmills come to mind.
I don't know why you keep asking the same questions over and over again. Do you expect to get different answers? It *is* a puzzlement. [/tongue-in-cheek] I keep hearing about a "crash" that happened in 2008 - but I never even noticed it at the time. (It may have been when I didn't have a TV.) Waxing serious for a moment, there was a huge financial collapse that began in 2007 brought on by the subprime mortgage scandal. Here in the States there was a recession that lasted from the end of 2007 through the middle of 2009. Like you our family was largely unaffected because my wife and I both kept our jobs, though both our companies had layoffs and froze wages. Lehman Brothers failed. Merrill-Lynch was forced to find a buyer, which turned out to be Bank of America. General Motors required a federal bailout. 25 banks failed, nearly overstressing the FDIC. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were taken over by the federal government. The Fed had to print a lot of money. Morgan Stanley was restructured. Bear Stearns had to be acquired by JPMorgan Chase. There was a federal rescue of Citigroup. (All these failures are still familiar to me, but I couldn't recall all of them at once and had to refresh my memory by looking them up.) But it was a pretty difficult time for a lot of people, and many lost their homes (some at the same time they lost their jobs) because they'd been granted mortgages beyond their ability to pay. The triggering factor for the financial crisis was when it was realized, rather suddenly, that most of the bundles of subprime mortgages called mortgage-backed securities deserved junk status. --Percy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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World news is not friendly these days and many, like me, are experiencing the existential dread that humanity seems to be ignoring.
Cheer up!
Also seems apropos to other threads.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I suppose that watching our mousey little "Mr.Deity" could be construed as positive. He would annoy me more, but being an "Ex-Mormon" does not qualify as serious credentials anyway.
Now...if he were an ex-apologist debunking what he once tried to defend, I would likely feel less positive about his entertainment value. This morning I was perusing Reddit...which I recently joined. They have some well thought out theological discussions between theists and atheists. The atheists are skilled at always interjecting enough doubt into the arguments so that the theists never win. Perhaps this is the way it was meant to be..."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
AZHonesty3 writes: I feel it too, though my critics say that I'm usually negative regarding the future rather than positive. World news is not friendly these days and many, like me, are experiencing the existential dread that humanity seems to be ignoring. Poor Europe, though! I read this morning that they are experiencing the worst drought in 500 years! Combine that with the dire forecast regarding energy supply this winter and our always expanding global population and I genuinely worry about the future. Perhaps our erudite "Way Of The Mister" will have some ready wisdom on hand to believe in. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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The atheists are skilled at always interjecting enough doubt into the arguments so that the theists never win. That's not atheists injecting doubt. It is theists demonstrating that they have no supporting evidence.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Except that evidence is not required for belief. Belief can in fact be quite strong (albeit irrational) with no supporting evidence.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Again you miss the point.
Then why should anyone care about your beliefs if there is no evidence? The only difference between christianity and pastafarianism is that christianity was created millenia ago.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Jesus disagreed with you. (John 20) Except that evidence is not required for belief."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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