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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Yes, her vibes on history were pleasant.
But, I take it, no "Long live the king!", then.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Queen Elizabeth II Dies: Latest Updates, News and Reaction - The New York Times
An image from November 20, 1947: --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
I was just sitting here in the library when I heard somebody in the background say, "The queen died."
She was like everybody's mother or grandmother, so you couldn't help but like her, whatever your feelings about the monarchy. As a Canadian, I predict that we will never see Chuckie's face on our money."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
ringo writes: I was just sitting here in the library when I heard somebody in the background say, "The queen died." You're in Canada, but just as a measure of the breadth of her influence, we'd say it that way here, too. --Percy
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
the wiki link:
Elizabeth II - Wikipedia you guys are on the ball!"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Never a fan of her or any royalty. Even less of the current generation.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
I admired her for the way she dealt with her families behaviour and squabbles. I personably would hate the life she led. I heard someone once call it "living in splendid isolation". I'm not much of a monarchist but even living in Canada I felt of her as an institution that would just always be there.
I remember when I was very young standing at the side of the street in Calgary waving my flag enthusiastically as she, still as Princess Elizabeth, drove by and smiled and as I recall it even waved back, He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The NFL (american style ie real football) began its season today. Before the very first game of the season the stadium put on a tribute. Very nice. As dignified as you can get in such a setting, I think.
Then at halftime the network put on a small tribute with a short retrospective. If you are part of an american football game, then, yeah, there's same feeling there.Edited by AZPaul3, . Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! |
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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At this time, we are hearing a huge amount in this Country about the nation's grief, Elizabeth's service, and her status in the world. It's pretty much the only message which is broadcast by the media, and given the feelings of a lot of people in this Country, I get it.
Elizabeth was a decent, kind, dutiful and caring soul, from what little I know of her, with a sense of mischief. I regret her passing - and I agree that she carried out her duties consistently and to the end. But I wanted to give this some perspective. First off, Elizabeth was a decent human being - just the same as any other decent human being. I regret her passing to precisely the same degree as I regret the passing of any other decent human being. In my eyes, she is no more and no less than any other decent person on this planet. We have to move away from according certain people higher status, simply because of the accident of their birth. And in that regard, we have to acknowledge also the vast privilege which was given to her by her birth, and is indeed given every year by the British tax payer (£86.3m last year, apparently). I have no problem with the media repeating their references to her service, but we should at some point also acknowledge what was given to Elizabeth out of our pockets, and as a result of her being born to a family which produces the head of state every time and which lives in luxurious castles and is waited on by a vast staff of servants. The standard response from a royalist when you mention the privilege they enjoy is to shout even louder about their service, but you should compare that service (being chauffeured to events, having polite conversations with people, eating wonderfully prepared meals), with the service given by charity workers, nurses, policemen, firemen, teachers and numerous other kind people in this Country, who work day in day out to help other people. And their service is hard. They deal with misery and tragedy and heartache on a daily basis - they roll their sleeves up and help people - they suffer abuse, but they keep going - they do all they can to make other peoples' lives better. And their rewards are a gnat's whisker when weighed against the sheer weight of privilege and status which is given to the royal family. So yes, I regret Elizabeth's passing, in the same way as I regret the passing of any other decent human being. But please let us remember, that when we talk as much as is being talked about her service, to balance that against the level of service which other people give to their communities, and the size of the reward those people get, when compared to what is handed on a silver platter to the royal family. Rest in peace Elizabeth - but rest in peace too every single other decent human being who has passed and who didn't have the privilege to occupy every single front page and every single media outlet for the next month. You are all equal in my eyes.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
I suspect that we'll soon be having conversations about whether we want a king, particularly this king. I resent being a subject - even if it's in name only.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
With you on that one Tangle. We'll be in the minority though :-/
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
As one lady, about our age, said on the news, "She was the one constant in our lives." I felt of her as an institution that would just always be there."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Just because it was a constant does not make it good.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
I didn't say it was good. I'm no royalist. I didn't even like Diana. Just because it was a constant does not make it good. But continuity has some advantages."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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