newbie needs answers

Hi there i am a newbie to this site......can anybody help me with questions?....I cannot claim to have any knolledge to offer on creation or evolution but am keen to learn......I have been reading the arguments involved and have concluded that unless i go to uni for the next years and study the sciences it will be hard to make a desition either way.....both seem to have valid arguments yet as we all know there can only be one right answer....i dont subscribe to the belief there is only opinion...Both sides have merits and to decide who is right i must get past the scientific terminology and get the idiots guide to evolution/creation....iu hope you can help.....I would like to ask the evolutionists this........Do you agree with the creationists that evolution is a "Theorey"....ie....i am sure there is much evidence to support the claim of evolution but is there a door of possibillity that there may be some other explanation on how species appear not neccesarilly involving miracles from god??.
I guess what i am asking is: does evidence exist which is completely non debatable.........hounest answer please...Anouther question for the evolutionists.....Are there any human remains of around 10,000 years old?.....sorry if this is a dumb question....like i said I'm a newbie!....If so are they the same as modern man?. I know that monothiestic religions state adam creation around 4000 - 6000 BC are there any modern man remains before this date?...if so ref please...Hope somebody can help.........Al

Universally, yes. What evolutionists hate is that creationists don't know what the word "theory" means.A theory is an explanitory model. It doesn't mean "guess." It means "model." Evolution is a model with explanitory and predictive power, and it's a damn good one, too. It's undebatable that there is a fossil record of progression in the geologic column. It's undebatable that the mechanisms of natural selection and random mutation lead to new species. It's undebatable that patterns of inheritance in genetics match fossil position to a degree that simply can't be chance.Evolution and creationism both try to explain these facts. What separates them is that evolution is a scientific model with tested predictions, and creationism is a collection of ad-hoc explanations that largely tend to contradict each other.Hey, you know, take your pick. There's the explanation that's as well-confirmed as general relativity, or there's the explanation that even the people who believe will tell you only makes sense if you don't think about it too much. (They don't usually put it like that, of course.)

Welcome aboard. Asking questions is a good idea at any time (why do you think I am "nosy" eh? ) Funny question. Since it is possible to completely agree and completely disagree.see this link
Fact and theoryIt explains that not only is evolution a fact but that it is something much more powerful and important than a fact it is a full blown theory. Theories are very important indeed.That is why I can agree with them but they usually put "only" in front of 'a theory'. A theory isn't a "only". If it was "only" a fact that would be a lesser thing. Science always leaves the door open. It is tentative. However, there is so much evidence for the theory of evolution (the ToE) that the door is only just a little ajar. There are human remains going back about 500,000 years. If you go as far back as that they are not exactly like a modern human. They are however, still classed as Homo sapiens but a subspecies.Hominid SpeciesI think your questions are jumping into some details a bit too quickly.Before worrying about the details of the theory of evolution you should just worry about some over all facts. Which ones are important depends on which of the many different "creationist" views one is discussing.First are the more extreme full out Biblical literalists that figure the earth is only 6,000 years old. You second question suggests that you are interested in discussing that.The dates as background are important so I suggest you browse some of the dates and dating forum.
Dates and Dating

To: NewbieI recommend the following resources from the creationist perspective:http://EvC Forum: Creationist Organizations -->EvC Forum: Creationist Organizationshttp://EvC Forum: Young earth creationism is valid and the macroevolutionary hypothesis is not valid -->EvC Forum: Young earth creationism is valid and the macroevolutionary hypothesis is not validSincerely,Ken

While I agree it isn't easy to begin to understand all the details and does require some time to learn enough and requires some hard thinking I do have to say that you are exaggerating a bit about the amount of work it requires.It is hard to learn enough to make your own assessment on the degree of credibility of the truth of a proposition. However, sometimes it is easier to get to the point of being able to figure out for yourself that something is wrong.For example, the bigger claims of the most fundamental creationists are demonstratably wrong. The earth is not only 6,000 years old. There are certain issues which they can never answer.There was not global flood. Every time they try to use that idea to explain what we actually see it fails to give a reasonable explanation.Life did not all spring into existance at one point in time. It has changed over some 3.5 billion years.These few things are, comparitively at least, easy to arrive at a reasonable position on.After that we are really only talking about details. Many details perhaps (LOL, many indeed ).(added by edit)BTW - the free for all forum isn't the best place for the topics you are choosing. You should pick the correct forum and post to topics there or open new topics.[This message has been edited by NosyNed, 03-02-2004]

Modern human remains go back at least 60,000 years, and I think the thought is that Homo sapiens began about 200,000 years ago. I can look this up later.A great place to go for people like you and me who don't care to take four years of college to learn the important issues is TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy. Try their faqs. That should give you plenty of subjects to do searches on. Talkorigins is pro-evolution, but you can find all the creationist arguments there, too, either repeated or linked, and probably better categorized than you can find them on the creationist sites.When I run across a curious issue, I do a search on Google and I do a search on talkorigins.org. Then I follow links.Do a search some time on Glenn Morton, too. Neat guy. I love reading his stuff. He's a fundamentalist-type Christian who's working very hard to keep a literal Genesis, but admits to the evidence for evolution. He's a geologist in the oil industry.

Here are 2 other places where the creation/evolution issue is discussed. I am guessing there are more creationist at these boards given the boards titles. I can only recommend the first board in that it is the only one I have direct experience with:Home | CS LewisError | Christian ForumsI think the first forum (Home | CS Lewis )
has very little moderator interference as far as limiting debate in either direction. I also found the atmosphere was very friendly for the most part.Sincerely,Ken[This message has been edited by kendemyer, 03-02-2004]