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Dredge Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
driewerf writes:
If you ask me, the explanatory power of the theory of evolution is seriously overrated. For example, no Darwinist has ever offered me a sensible explanation for how venomous snakes evolved. The sheer fact that there is an alternative explanation - the theory of evolution - that fits all known facts better than yours invalidates your argument (or lack thereof). How did their hollow fangs evolve? How did their poison glands evolve? How did the connection between their hollow fangs and their poison glands evolve? How did those snakes survive while the aforementioned system was evolving? Why did that system need to evolve at all, since the snakes had been surviving without it?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Personal incredulity does not override science.
Argument from incredulity - RationalWiki What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Theodorkic writes:
That is your best explanation of how venomous snakes evolved? What a pathetic cop-out.
Personal incredulity does not override science.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
I do not have to explain. You have been given multiple possible scenarios. There is plenty of information on the subject on the internet. There are actual scientific papers(which you will dismiss because of your incredulity) on the subject. Here is a news article on one.
Snakes evolved venom fangs multiple times from wrinkles in their teeth | New Scientist No matter what info and data are presented you just poo poo it and claim it is not evidence. You are just a troll, that moves goalposts all over and off the field. All you have is ignorance and logical fallacies. None of your arguments(Correction, you have no arguments) are new. We have seen them before. It is time for the admin and mods to suspend you for a little bit to see if you will come back and discuss in good faith. I am sure you won't because all you are is a troll. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Theodorkic writes:
Darwinists don't have to explain anything - they just make up stories. Whoever comes up with the best story, wins.
I do not have to explain. You have been given multiple possible scenarios. There is plenty of information on the subject on the internet. There are actual scientific papers(which you will dismiss because of your incredulity) on the subject. Here is a news article on one.
That article is a pathetic joke ... credulous atheist fools clutching at straws.
Snakes evolved venom fangs multiple times from wrinkles in their teeth | New Scientist No matter what info and data are presented you just poo poo it and claim it is not evidence.
It's not my fault that the theory of evolution is a simplistic nineteenth century idea that is hopelessly inadequate, and that Darwinists are too blind and stupid to see it.
You are just a troll
I've noticed that you call every creationist on this site a "troll". At least you're being consistent ...
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ringo Member (Idle past 707 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
No IDist has ever offered a sensible explanation for WHY a Designer would design poisonous snakes. Or parasitic worms. For example, no Darwinist has ever offered me a sensible explanation for how venomous snakes evolved.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 707 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
The story that best fits the evidence wins. And isn't it funny that scientists from every religion agree on what the best story is?
Darwinists don't have to explain anything - they just make up stories. Whoever comes up with the best story, wins. Dredge writes:
You're the one who's stuck in the nineteenth century. Read something up-to-date. It's not my fault that the theory of evolution is a simplistic nineteenth century idea ....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Taq Member Posts: 10348 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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Dredge writes: If you ask me, the explanatory power of the theory of evolution is seriously overrated. For example, no Darwinist has ever offered me a sensible explanation for how venomous snakes evolved. There will always be specific adaptations that we don't have a specific answer for. That's just the nature of science in general. No scientist is claiming they are omniscient, or that any theory can explain everything. That's why scientists continue to do research. Perhaps this is why you prefer religious explanations where people claim complete and dogmatic knowledge without needing to do things like have evidence or do the research. What you ignore is what evolution does explain. For example, it explains why we see more transitions than transversions when we compare the human and chimp genome. It explains why there is more sequence conservation in exons than in introns. It explains why we see a nested hierarchy. It explains the distribution of species across the globe. It explains the patterns found in the fossil record. It explains why we can find the same ERV's at the same bases in the genomes of multiple species. It can explain why the LTR's of those same ERV's diverge and produce a phylogeny. Evolution explains massive mountains of observations, most of which I suspect you aren't even aware of. Edited by Taq, .
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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That article is a pathetic joke ... credulous atheist fools clutching at straws.
Anyone actually interested in discovering facts and answers would at least read the abstract to the original research. The article provides a link to it. We know you will never read it, as we also know you won't be able to comprehend it. A troll would just handwave it as propaganda. I have no reason to think any of the authors are atheists. Why would you? Are you going to use the No True Scotsman fallacy now? Yes, all of the creationists we have on this site are trolls. None of you provide actual evidence or a logical argument.Even if evolution is shown to be false, that does not mean creationism is true. Then again the TOE is an extremely robust scientific theory and no one has presented any evidence or even a viable hypothesis to overturn it. You and kleinman are actually quite pitiful compared to others we have seen here. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
No, it's not funny at all ... it's actually quite sad that otherwise intelligent people accept a scientific theory as dubious as ToE.
isn't it funny that scientists from every religion agree on what the best story is?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
If you ask me, the explanatory power of the theory of evolution is seriously overrated. For example, no Darwinist has ever offered me a sensible explanation for how venomous snakes evolved.Taq writes:
Well, until their research provides a sensible explanation of how venomous snakes evolved, for example, I will continue to consider ToE to be inadequate.
There will always be specific adaptations that we don't have a specific answer for. That's just the nature of science in general. No scientist is claiming they are omniscient, or that any theory can explain everything. That's why scientists continue to do research.Taq writes:
Oh, you mean like the pattern evident in the Cambrian explosion, for example ... dozens of novel Phyla appearing relatively suddenly without any evidence of evolutionary ancestors? What you ignore is what evolution does explain ... It explains the patterns found in the fossil record.LOL!! What you ignore is what evolution does explain
What Darwinists ignore is what ToE doesn't explain.
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ringo Member (Idle past 707 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Isn't it funny that those "otherwise intelligent people" can cure diseases, get us to the moon and back, etc.? Why does it take an idiot like you to understand that the ToE is wrong? ... it's actually quite sad that otherwise intelligent people accept a scientific theory as dubious as ToE.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 707 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
]qs=Dredge]Well, until their research provides a sensible explanation of how venomous snakes evolved...[/qs]
They have.
Dredge writes:
Nobody cares what you think. ... I will continue to consider ToE to be inadequate.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Taq Member Posts: 10348 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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Dredge writes: Well, until their research provides a sensible explanation of how venomous snakes evolved, for example, I will continue to consider ToE to be inadequate. So even though there is mountains of evidence, you won't accept the theory because it doesn't have a very narrow explanation for one adaptation in one set of species. Got it.
Oh, you mean like the pattern evident in the Cambrian explosion, for example ... dozens of novel Phyla appearing relatively suddenly without any evidence of evolutionary ancestors? How do you determine that a fossil has no evolutionary ancestors? The theory of evolution predicts that we should find the earliest branches in the tree of life in the earliest fossil bearing strata. Wouldn't you know it, that's exactly what we see.
What Darwinists ignore is what ToE doesn't explain. What evidence are we ignoring?
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MrIntelligentDesign Member (Idle past 603 days) Posts: 248 Joined: |
Wow, this thread had discussed many things. Supposed to be, this is only for the Intelligent Design and its Arguments.
Well, why God (as one of many ID candidates) designed snakes and worms, etc? Just to kill. If there is no sin or error of existence (error in intelligence), there will be no poisonous snakes or no killings... Intelligence gives life, violations of intelligence kill. Thus it predicts that there was a time in the history of humanity or earth that humans had violated intelligence and become stupid. Now, enjoy the First Argument of the Intelligent Design. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAzPyb3ppcw&t=40s
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