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Phat Member Posts: 18343 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
GDR, 2016 writes:
Remember this post? Do you have any further enlightenment? I realize that sidelined is long gone from this discussion but I just thought I'd add my take on it. God the Father is straightforward. He is responsible for the fact that we exist at all. The Son, Jesus is as the Gospel of John says --that the Word, (or Wisdom) of God became flesh. Jesus the Son then was the perfect embodiment of the nature of God. If we want to understand the Father then we look to the Son. I suggest it is important to remember that when we say that Jesus is God is that Jesus prayed to the Father even to the point of praying to not be called to go into Jerusalem knowing what would happen to someone who did what He was about to do. It was a great act of faith. I would also go back to Jesus calling Himself the Son of Man. This is an obvious reference to Daniel 7 where the Son of Man is presented to the "Ancient of Days", (God the Father). The Son of Man is then given dominion over an everlasting Kingdom. The Holy Spirit is the connection that we have with God through our consciousness. It is that "still small voice" or what we call conscience that guides us in the direction that we should go. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
Trying to be sarcastic, eh? Millions of people are dashing across our nation's bordersin a mad frenzy to escape America. In fact, Canada has been accepting refugees from the US as long as the US has existed: United Empire Loyalists, escaped slaves, Vietnam War resisters, etc. And during the Trump years, we had refugees crossing the border on foot, in winter, to get away from that bastard.
candle2 writes:
I have worked with people from El Salvador who escaped from Reagan's death squads. I have worked with people from Chile who escaped from the American-supported dictator Pinochet.
It is really sad to see all these Americans escape toplaces such as Mexico; Honduras; Guatemala; and, other choice destinations. candle2 writes:
Refugees from the US are losing fingers and toes from frostbite trying to get into Canada.
Immigrants are breaking down walls to get into Russia;China; Iran; and South Korea, just to name a few. candle2 writes:
I could teach you a thing or two about sarcasm, too. Lesson One: Get your facts straight. I was wrong, but your big giant brain has set me straight.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
We do. ringo lives in Canada. Ask him if Canada has any issues or restrictions on immigration. And since you bring up your "conservative friend", here are some fun facts for you:
Wikipedia writes:
... in late 1926 Klan organizers came to Saskatchewan to preach its message of racial and religious hatred....... their leaders claimed an overall membership of some 40,000, who had been attracted by the Klan's attacks on the “unassimilable” immigrants from central and southeastern Europe....
(That would be my ancestors, who came from Ukraine.)
... threatened groups friendly to the LIBERAL PARTY.
... both the Conservative and Progressive parties raised issues during the 1929 election campaign which drew upon the emotions aroused by the Klan and captured enough votes from the Anglo-Saxon and Protestant sector of the electorate to defeat the Liberals. The Klan convention in 1930 applauded the Anderson government's amendments to the School Act and its new immigration policy...
The Ku Klux Klan in SaskatchewanCome all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Phat, I don't have the free time to reply on this forum as
I did before volunteering at the local animal shelter. But, I like what I do just fine. What I do, and this was my idea, is I walk each dog fortwenty minutes, twice a week. The kennel usually has between 18-22 dogs. Sometimesmore. There is no telling how many miles I walk a week. But thedogs love it. I watched the Ray Dalios video. And, much of what he saysis true. The two metrics of an empire's power that I see America lacking greatly in is "education" and "military strength." America has fallen behind in the other six metrics, butwithout fixing the two I mentioned the problems cannot be fixed. Consumer confidence in America is at an all time low.This is true in America, but more so in others parts of the world. I will comment on my take of America's situation in regardsit's educational system and military establishment in a few days.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, you can't teach me anything.
In any event, if you did not make such ignorantstatements there would be no reason to treat them with sarcasm. Frostbite is all that Canada is good for.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
I'm well aware of that. Your inability to learn has been noted, and not just by me. Ringo, you can't teach me anything. My replies to you are intended to prevent anybody else from falling for your nonsense. I don't hope to convince you that reality exists. (I don't believe in miracles.)
candle2 writes:
Feel free to point out my ignorance - with actual facts, not just empty accusations. I will continue to point out your ignorance.
In any event, if you did not make such ignorantstatements there would be no reason to treat them with sarcasm. candle2 writes:
If you had read my post (and feel free to check out the facts) you SHOULD have learned that Canada is also good for accepting refugees from American tyranny. Go ahead and try to refute anything I said. Frostbite is all that Canada is good for.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
If you had read my post (and feel free to check out the facts) you SHOULD have learned that Canada is also good for accepting refugees from American tyranny. And as a safe refuge for science. After Putin got Trump electoraled into office (he did lose the popular vote by three million) and before his inauguration, US scientists went into damage control mode. With incredibly accurate foresight, they anticipated that their research would disappear under Trump, so they started backing up everything they could overseas. Which I read as "a lot of it going to Canada" for safe keeping. And sure enough, data started disappearing, especially on government websites (at one point, the entire judicial branch disappeared).
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Unwise, why are you not banned?
Anyone who thinks that Putin had the power and skillto put Trump into office should have a mental evaluation. I was under the impression that Ringo was the mostignorant poster on this site, but you seem to envy him as the leader. Cannota is welcome to all of our illegal immigrants. Theycan have all of our tent cities and all the fentynal that goes with it. They can have the enormous strain that II place on ourschool and medical systems. They can have places like San Francisco, where the streetsare littered with garbage; feces; and, used syringes and needless. The idiots can have the Democrat run cities, where crimeand murder rates increase exponentially. They can also have our science that is completely ignorantof the differences between males and females. They can have the science that thinks it is possible to turn A male into a female and a female into a male. They can have our cost of living increases that existsamong all our goods and services. Give America back to Trump where gas was a $1.60per gallon and eggs were $1.90 a dozen instead of $5.20 a dozen, with no end to the increase in sight.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, you can't teach me anything because it would
require a loss of knowledge and common sense on my part in order for you and I to be on the same level. You say that you do not believe in miracles. But life exists,and there is no natural way for life to begin on its own.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
I don't think it's possible for you to lose any knowledge or common sense. You're too firmly glued to what you think you know.
Ringo, you can't teach me anything because it wouldrequire a loss of knowledge and common sense on my part in order for you and I to be on the same level. candle2 writes:
Of course there is. There is no UNnatural way for it to begin. there is no natural way for life to begin on its own.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Wow, you really are a stupid asshole. What do you keep your head shoved into that you are so clueless of ... everything?
Anyone who thinks that Putin had the power and skill to put Trump into office should have a mental evaluation. What an idiot you are! Putin certainly does have the power, being the totalitarian dictator of an oligarchy in which he's the richest oligarch (reference Bruce Wayne's line: "What's your superpower again?" "I'm very wealthy"). He doesn't need to have those skills himself (Are you really so stupid that you have no inkling at all how anything works? ), but rather he has minions and agencies (eg, FSB (formerly KGB), GRU) and troll farms working for him to provide the technical expertise as well as doing the actual work of disrupting elections (not just ours, but also those of NATO members as well as in Russia). His goal is to weaken the West by disrupting its governments. Putin definitely wanted Trump in office and Trump did his best to please Putin in every way he could. Such as weakening US national security and disrupting and weakening NATO -- it's a tribute to Biden's abilities that he was able to reunite NATO after the number that Trump did on it. Also weakening Ukraine (Obama had put measures into place to strengthen NATO and Ukraine, all of which Trump got rid of, or at least tried to). Trumpisti claim that there wouldn't be a war in Ukraine if Trump had been reelected, which is only true because Trump would have just given the country to Putin, wrapped in a ribbon and a bow. And Putin's assets did indeed interfere extensively with the 2016 election in an effort to install Trump, the "Kremlin Candidate". This is also evidenced by the massive collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort giving the Russians polling data that they needed to know where and how to target swing states. That is all detailed in the Mueller Report.
Cannota is welcome to all of our illegal immigrants. What the fuck are you talking about? Who the fuck is that? Are you using your stupid little inadequate phone again? When you do, you should at least turn off its auto-corrupt feature. But far better, stop being an idiot and use your computer.
Jessica H. Christ! What is wrong with you?
They can have the enormous strain that II place on our school and medical systems. You really are totally clueless! Actual examination and comparison of what illegal immigrants' contributions and burden to states show that their contributions far outweigh any burdens. We discussed it before you got here. Here are some links with that information:
For example:
I just heard that Canada is also suffering from a labor shortage like we are, so they've posted ads in the US telling our illegals to come to Canada to find work. So Canada's economy can grow and prosper while ours is being held back yet again by the dumb-fuck Republicans intent on screwing us over yet again. So just what the fuck are you talking about? Also, why haven't you contributed to the Radiocarbon Dating topic, Radiocarbon Dating Discussion with candle2? Are you conceding that you were completely wrong?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, you say that original life began by natural
processes. Where is your absolute proof of this. If you cannot provide absolute proof for yourassertion, then all you have is a belief. Beliefs are a dime a dozen. And this one belief casts great doubt on anything thatyou hold to be true. What is really sad is that you place so much faith in abelief that goes against a time-proven law of nature, and that is simply that life cannot come from non life.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Ringo, you say that original life began by natural processes. Where is your absolute proof of this. And you say that original life began by purely supernatural processes. What is your absolute proof of that? You cannot demand "absolute proof" from anybody else without being able (or at least willing to try) to provide absolute proof for your own position! Do not to others that which is displeasing to yourself! (the original Pharisee Golden Rule, Rabbi Hillel, c. 20 BCE, half a century before Jesus' purported use of it) Plus, it is a typical dishonest trick of dishonest creationists -- yes, I do realize that "dishonest creationist" is highly redundant -- to demand "absolute proof" for everything while refusing to present even the slightest trace of evidence themselves. Hypocrite! (since I very much doubt that you have ever actually read the Gospels, you undoubtedly are ignorant of what Jesus thought of hypocrites) Also, "absolute proof" does not exist, though it can be approached in mathematics and possibly in extremely simplistic situations, but most certainly not in the manner that you are using it. In the hands of you dishonest creationists, it's nothing but a cheap trick. If you can think of non-trivial things for which we have absolute proof, then do please list some of them. BTW, your perverse misinterpretation of religious texts does not count as "absolute proof" for anything. Rather we rely on preponderance of evidence. And, yet again, no, your perverse misinterpretation of religious texts does not count as evidence for anything ... except for your own perverse nature.
And this one belief casts great doubt on anything that you hold to be true. What the hell nonsense are you talking about now? That makes absolutely no sense at all!
What is really sad is that you place so much faith in a belief that goes against a time-proven law of nature, and that is simply that life cannot come from non life. Yet again, your abject ignorance of science betrays you. Laws are not an inherent part of Nature, but rather they are man-made descriptions of how we observe things to work normally and in normal conditions. There is nothing sacred nor absolute about them, nor can we expect them to hold in all situations. A few quick examples:
Similarly, your "Law of Biogenesis" is not absolute in all situations, but rather is a statement of our observations in the current situation of life already existing. If the first steps of life were still happening today, then its name would be "food" as it gets eaten by already existing life -- the earliest stages of original life could only arise in the absence of predators. Now, why would we think that life would have arisen by natural processes and not solely by supernatural means? It's quite obvious:
We have abundant evidence of natural activity, so where is your evidence of supernatural activity? Again, your perverse misinterpretation of religious texts does not count as evidence for anything ... except for your own perverse nature.
Beliefs are a dime a dozen. Yes, and yours, which are slip-shod, contrary to reality, and born out of abject willful ignorance, are worth vastly less.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Creos and fundies are unable to understand that laws and theories are accurate until they are not. Then science adjusts the laws and theories to incorporate the new data. The whole concept is not thrown away.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Not very wise, Cannota is Canada. A wise individual would
have figured this out without any difficulty. What happened to you in life that caused you to lose yourability to reason? You state ignorant nonsense that any sensible individualcan see as stupidity. There is no way that Putin could determine the outcomeof the presidental election. How can someone seriously entertain any of your viewswhen you put forth such fantasy ideas. Trump did not want a weakened NATO. He wanted theother members to pay their fair share. Why should America pay for 85% of all NATO's military budget. You repeat the same old lies that NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS,and CNN and all the other liberal media spew every day. And that is that illegal immigrants benefit America. 20,000 illegal immigrants crossing our border every dayis lunacy. Every one if them are given food, housing, and medicalcare, free of charge. The vast majority of them will work in low skill, lowpaying jobs, which will allow they to receive food stamps an other benefits for life. Only a total idiot would think that this is beneficial for America. Don't you just love it when the border states send theseimmigrants to places such as Chicago, Nantucket, and Washington D.C.? What do these hypocritical Democrats in these places do? You are right? They whine and complain about the extraburden that it places on them. They cry like little girls. I have stated very plainly my stance on RCD. You knowWhat it is.
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