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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
ringo
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Message 2386 of 2932 (903116)
12-04-2022 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 2266 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 5:13 PM


Re: Usable energy
Kleinman writes:
Have you ever thought about responding with the correct explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail?
Have you ever thought about responding with the correct explanation of how A → B and A → C are different from B → C?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 2387 of 2932 (903117)
12-04-2022 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2284 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 7:53 PM


Re: A Simple Question
Kleinman writes:
why don't you file a complaint with the medical or engineering board?
We can have them contact you at "Department of Medicine, USA".
Kleinman writes:
We can redo the Scopes monkey trial where you are the monkey.
Do you really think a monkey was on trial?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2388 of 2932 (903156)
12-05-2022 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 2384 by xongsmith
12-02-2022 11:52 AM


Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Kleinman:
Oh boy! We've got stereo and neither can explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
xongsmith:
Om...

OMG! the Stupid burns!

Oh my. Another poster to EvC that doesn't know how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. To try and cures his ignorance, for a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for two or more simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
I doubt this will help because his education is limited to comic books.

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Kleinman
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Message 2389 of 2932 (903157)
12-05-2022 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2385 by ringo
12-04-2022 2:06 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman:
All you have to do is post one....
ringo:
All YOU have to do is read one. Anybody who is interested in the truth will read one or more of them and know that you are wrong.

ringo reads papers that don't exist. That's why he won't post them. If ringo could read, he would post the following papers that explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for two or more multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
See how easy it is ringo and you are so wrongo. Ask your horse, he has more sense than you have.
Message 2386
Kleinman:
Have you ever thought about responding with the correct explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail?
ringo:
Have you ever thought about responding with the correct explanation of how A → B and A → C are different from B → C?

Sure have cowpoke, read the above papers and find out how it works. Of course, your horse knows more math than you do. You will have to ask him to explain it to you.
Message 2387
Kleinman:
why don't you file a complaint with the medical or engineering board?
ringo:
We can have them contact you at "Department of Medicine, USA".

You can file the complaint where ever you want. Tell them I think you are psychotic because you believe that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals but you can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You only have the illusion that papers exist that explain this to you when the only papers that explain this, I have written. Tell them fossils tell you this is true, you have a conversation every day with them.
Kleinman:
We can redo the Scopes monkey trial where you are the monkey.
ringo:
Do you really think a monkey was on trial?

Auditions for the monkey part are still open. You can tell them how reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals but you have no idea how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Tell them to read papers that don't exist, except mine. Biologists have been working on it for 60 years. They even have a very good experiment demonstrating how drug resistance evolves, but sadly, they never studied introductory probability theory and they don't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. They have no horse sense, they've just been monkeying around.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2390 of 2932 (903159)
12-05-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 2389 by Kleinman
12-05-2022 11:22 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
ringo reads papers that don't exist.
Google thinks they exist
Kleinman writes:
That's why he won't post them.
I don't need to post them any more than I need to post links to demonstrate that France exists. They're there for anybody to see.
Kleinman writes:
If ringo could read, he would post the following papers that explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
Your "explanations" have been done to death in this topic. Nobody is impressed by your "explanations".
Kleinman writes:
See how easy it is ringo and you are so wrongo. Ask your horse, he has more sense than you have.
You don't know my horse. Aren't you embarassed blathering about things you know nothing about?
Kleinman writes:
ringo writes:
Have you ever thought about responding with the correct explanation of how A → B and A → C are different from B → C?
Sure have cowpoke, read the above papers and find out how it works.
Nobody needs to read your papers to understand the simple math: A → B and A → C are different from B → C.
Kleinman writes:
Of course, your horse knows more math than you do.
You still don't know my horse.
Kleinman writes:
ringo writes:
We can have them contact you at "Department of Medicine, USA".
You can file the complaint where ever you want.
Read more carefully. My statement was not about where to file the complaint. It was about where they can find you.
Kleinman writes:
Tell them I think you are psychotic because you believe that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals....
Even if I was wrong about that - and I have been trying to explain to you mathematically that your confusion about the math does not describe my belief - being wrong doesn't make me psychotic.
Kleinman writes:
... the only papers that explain this, I have written.
Yes, we know. Nobody on earth understands but you.
Kleinman writes:
ringo writes:
Do you really think a monkey was on trial?
Auditions for the monkey part are still open.
You didn't answer the question: Do you really think the Scopes Monkey Trial was about monkeys?
Kleinman writes:
You can tell them how reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals....
I don't need to tell anybody that because they already know it isn't true. They can understand the simple math: A → B and A → C are different from B → C. You seem to be the only one who doesn't.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 356 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2391 of 2932 (903167)
12-05-2022 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2390 by ringo
12-05-2022 11:48 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman:
ringo reads papers that don't exist.
ringo:
Google thinks they exist

So post the links. But you can't because they don't exist, except for these:
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for two or more simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
See how easy it is.

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AZPaul3
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Member Rating: 5.2


Message 2392 of 2932 (903168)
12-05-2022 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2391 by Kleinman
12-05-2022 3:12 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
These are nothing more than the charlatan's pamphlets for sale at the back of the room. They are presented not for information or evidence but for click count.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 2393 of 2932 (903169)
12-05-2022 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2392 by AZPaul3
12-05-2022 3:36 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
SPAM, he's just posting spam AKA pig asses.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 2394 of 2932 (903171)
12-05-2022 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2393 by Tanypteryx
12-05-2022 3:46 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
SPAM, he's just posting spam AKA pig asses.
I haven't had spam, the meat product, since my kiddyhood days more than 100 years ago. I don't remember it.
Made of cast-offs like any sausage. FDA approved from forever. And it's been on-and-off popular in world society since Hormel dropped its first can.
I can imagine in large quantities over years the stuff being not-so-good for cardiac reasons but is it any good on the palate?
I'm thinking of finding out. For the science, of course.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 356 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2395 of 2932 (903198)
12-06-2022 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 2392 by AZPaul3
12-05-2022 3:36 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
AZPaul3:
These are nothing more than the charlatan's pamphlets for sale at the back of the room. They are presented not for information or evidence but for click count.
Poor AZPaul3, he just doesn't like the correct explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. It's because his bubble has burst.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2396 of 2932 (903200)
12-06-2022 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 2393 by Tanypteryx
12-05-2022 3:46 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Tanypteryx:
SPAM, he's just posting spam AKA pig asses.
This sure make Tany unhappy. It is so sad to when a bug chaser sees how biological evolution really works. You can explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. To remind Tany, for a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for two or more simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
You didn't learn this chasing bugs or in your survey of physics course. Try not to be too upset when you learn how reality works, it's not good for your blood pressure. Perhaps you should do something you are good at like chasing bugs, science is too aggrevating for you.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2397 of 2932 (903201)
12-06-2022 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2394 by AZPaul3
12-05-2022 4:38 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Tanypteryx:
SPAM, he's just posting spam AKA pig asses.
AZPaul3:
I haven't had spam, the meat product, since my kiddyhood days more than 100 years ago. I don't remember it.

Made of cast-offs like any sausage. FDA approved from forever. And it's been on-and-off popular in world society since Hormel dropped its first can.

I can imagine in large quantities over years the stuff being not-so-good for cardiac reasons but is it any good on the palate?

I'm thinking of finding out. For the science, of course.

It looks like AZPaul3 has found his calling. Tany is a real inspiration but not so good on science. He would have to do better than social promotion in his survey of physics course.

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Message 2398 of 2932 (903204)
12-06-2022 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 2396 by Kleinman
12-06-2022 10:38 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
. . . in asexual populations. Your title is incomplete.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2399 of 2932 (903206)
12-06-2022 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 2398 by Taq
12-06-2022 10:43 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
Taq:
. . . in asexual populations. Your title is incomplete.

You are wrong Taq, descent with modification works the same way for sexual replicators as it does with asexual replicators. The probability of an adaptive allele occurring depends on the number of replications of the allele and the mutation rate, nothing else. If you think otherwise, tell us why descent with modification is not the same for sexual replicators and asexual replicators.

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ringo
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Message 2400 of 2932 (903210)
12-06-2022 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 2391 by Kleinman
12-05-2022 3:12 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
So post the links.
Why should I do your homework for you?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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