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Author Topic:   Is ID falsifiable by any kind of experiment?
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Message 61 of 507 (903825)
12-17-2022 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-16-2022 7:48 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
change in frequency alleles (CIFA) or change of frequency alleles COFA.
CIFA and COFA have no meaning. You cannot describe them.
There are no test nor evidences that "incremental change in an organic structure can build a more complex organic structure", without guided by intelligence, or intention,.
What intelligence? Where? How is this guidance achieved? What is the mechanism?
To Evolution, the topic of intelligence and non-intelligence are not resolved, so, why quickly conclude in Biology about Evolution? That is the very definition of stupidity: quickly conclude without knowing anything.
Makes no sense. Why quickly conclude what in Biology about Evolution?
Evolution is simply CIFA or COFA ...
There is no such thing as CIFA or COFA.
You declare evolution is wrong yet you cannot show anywhere where evolution was wrong about anything. That is stupid.

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Message 62 of 507 (903826)
12-17-2022 4:27 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-17-2022 12:36 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
I am not confused on anything.
You are confused on everything. Especially intelligence and evolution. Your ideas are all wrong and mean nothing.

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Message 63 of 507 (903839)
12-17-2022 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-16-2022 7:48 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
There are no test nor evidences that "incremental change in an organic structure can build a more complex organic structure", without guided by intelligence, or intention,
You have that backwards. There is no evidence of that intelligence or intention. You might as well say that there is no evidence that airplanes can fly without angels blowing on the wings.

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Message 64 of 507 (903876)
12-17-2022 7:11 PM
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12-17-2022 11:16 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
You have that backwards. There is no evidence of that intelligence or intention. You might as well say that there is no evidence that airplanes can fly without angels blowing on the wings.
No, it was Evolution and its supporters.
Before any sane scientist could claim that a change is not-intentional or no intelligence involved in change in/of freq alleles, CIFA/COFA, that sane scientist must have criteria and numerical dividing lines or numerical limits between the two opposing extremes. Evolution, Darwin and supporters of Evolution have no criteria for the two, thus, Evolution is wrong. Thus, we can easily conclude that Evolution is an stupid theory, since stupid theory will always conclude without any criteria.

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Message 65 of 507 (903877)
12-17-2022 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by AZPaul3
12-17-2022 4:27 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
You are confused on everything. Especially intelligence and evolution. Your ideas are all wrong and mean nothing.
I am not confused. I am perfectly fine since I have the best criteria between intentional CIFA/COFA to non-intentional CIFA/COFA in biological world.
Thus, it was you who are very confused.

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AZPaul3
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Message 66 of 507 (903878)
12-17-2022 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-17-2022 7:11 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
Before any sane scientist could claim that a change is not-intentional or no intelligence involved in change in/of freq alleles, CIFA/COFA, that sane scientist must have criteria and numerical dividing lines or numerical limits between the two opposing extremes.
Why? Intelligence is a continuum. It is not binary.
Besides, the criteria we use is the evidence. In the entire history of the universe there has never been any evidence of this intelligence you speak of.
CIFA/COFA is bullocks.

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AZPaul3
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Message 67 of 507 (903879)
12-17-2022 7:45 PM
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12-17-2022 7:13 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
I am perfectly fine since I have the best criteria between intentional CIFA/COFA to non-intentional CIFA/COFA in biological world.
Oh BS. You have NO criteria. You cannot seem to express any and you certainly cannot use any to evidence anything. What CIFA?

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Message 68 of 507 (903885)
12-18-2022 12:36 AM
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12-17-2022 7:41 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
Why? Intelligence is a continuum. It is not binary.
That is why Evolution is BS since you are claiming that intelligence is continuum, and yet you cannot even define intelligence. That is really BS in science!
Besides, the criteria we use is the evidence. In the entire history of the universe there has never been any evidence of this intelligence you speak of.
There is no evidence for Evolution that you can use as criteria. And what criteria for what? None evidence. Zero. Thus, Evolution is BS.
CIFA/COFA is bullocks.
Evolution is simply change in frequency alleles (CIFA) or change of frequency alleles (COFA), whatever, Evolution is wrong anyway.

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Message 69 of 507 (903886)
12-18-2022 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-18-2022 12:36 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
That is why Evolution is BS since you are claiming that intelligence is continuum
How do you know it is not? Our evidence indicates it may well be.
There is no evidence for Evolution that you can use as criteria.
The museums, schools, etc, have hundreds of millions of such evidences. Hard physical evidence that you can actually pick up and study.
You ever study a fossil specimen? Have you ever been to a museum or a school?
How can you dismiss such a trove of evidence world wide so casually? What larger numbers of evidence do you show to compete with this? You have none but your fantasy numbers games. No data. No facts. No reality.
Evolution is simply change in CIFA ...
CIFA is undefined so is simply wrong.

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Message 70 of 507 (903887)
12-18-2022 1:43 AM
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12-18-2022 1:15 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
Once again, there are no evidences for Evolution. Your fantasies and fairy tale mind are making you deluded.
Give me one evidence for Evolution that support change in freq alleles, CIFA, that could not be found in generation 1?

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AZPaul3
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Message 71 of 507 (903888)
12-18-2022 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-18-2022 1:43 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
No. I'm not going to dig through known available evidence of genetics at work just so you can knee-jerk call it fake.
This isn't our first foray into la-la land with a creationist. You want everyone to show you evidence of evolution while you provide none for your intelligent dingo-daddy or whatever.
You dug this rabbit hole and it's up to you to deliver. What is cifa?
Where is there ANY evidence of this sky dingo-daddy cosmic intellen thing?

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Message 72 of 507 (903890)
12-18-2022 4:50 AM
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12-18-2022 2:08 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
What we are seeing in biological word are products of intelligence, and not Evolution.

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AZPaul3
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Message 73 of 507 (903896)
12-18-2022 8:38 AM
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12-18-2022 4:50 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
Prove it. Show us this intelligence.

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Message 74 of 507 (903906)
12-18-2022 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-18-2022 12:36 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
That is why Evolution is BS since you are claiming that intelligence is continuum, and yet you cannot even define intelligence.
This is your problem. It isn't our problem.
You cannot define "intelligence", yet you make it part of your theory of "new intelligent design". And that's a problem.
The Theory of Evolution does not mention "intelligence" so it has no need to define it.

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Message 75 of 507 (903917)
12-18-2022 1:29 PM
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12-18-2022 10:55 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
The Theory of Evolution does not mention "intelligence" so it has no need to define it.
That is why Evolution is a stupid theory since Evolution did not include all topics that will support and break Evolution to pieces. Meaning, there are many topics in Biology like the topic of intelligence or instinct or intentional etc that will surely affect Evolution and its explanation. That is why Evolution is stupid and inconsistent with reality.

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