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Tanypteryx
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Message 106 of 507 (904137)
12-22-2022 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-22-2022 4:05 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
I do not even hate Evolution, if that is your religion.
It's not a religion.
Instead of writing nonsense about evolution, maybe a better strategy would be to tell us about what scientific breakthroughs have been discovered by ID using actual science. You need actual supporting evidence, not made up CRAPOLLA like CIFA and intellen X and UBL, that no one has ever heard of, except for you. Can you even tell us what tests do you apply to measure changes in allele frequency in a population of organisms?

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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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ringo
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Message 107 of 507 (904142)
12-22-2022 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-21-2022 5:33 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
MrIntelligentDesin writes:
Now, Evolution has already a counter theory that will surely blow Evolution to pieces, it is called Biological Interrelation
Google doesn't even want to search for "Biological Interrelation". It wants to search for "biological interaction", which is a real thing. If I insist on searching for "biological interrelation", it comes up with ONE book, Sayonara Theory of Evolution, Hello Biological Interrelation. The author, Edgar A. Postrado, seems to be a civil engineer - not a biologist.
You seem to be a very, very, very long way from anything resembling a replacement for the ToE.

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I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
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ringo
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Message 108 of 507 (904143)
12-22-2022 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Phat
12-22-2022 8:35 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
Phat writes:
Define impediment, by the way. What specifically is belief in a higher power doing to our precious little human minds??
In this specific context, it is impeding people from accepting reality (by definition, a mental illness). You recognize seeing pink elephants as a mental illness; why don't you recognize the inability to see elephants as the same illness?

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I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
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Message 109 of 507 (904155)
12-22-2022 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by ringo
12-22-2022 11:38 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
The author, Edgar A. Postrado, seems to be a civil engineer - not a biologist.
I believe that is our MrID. What google finds is the self-published book he was hawking.
quote:
As the title suggests, this science book is about the Scientific Arguments of the new Intelligent Design, as initially and originally written for submission for many secular science journals. The original manuscripts were submitted to science journals, but the journals failed to publish the science articles.
Just like Kleinman, Postrado is a self important fraud.

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Message 110 of 507 (904169)
12-22-2022 7:09 PM
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12-22-2022 3:09 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
I believe that is our MrID. What google finds is the self-published book he was hawking.
IOW, he is the only other person in the entire universe who spouts the same nonsense as he does.
Point made and set.

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 111 of 507 (904178)
12-22-2022 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by AZPaul3
12-22-2022 6:36 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
I find several DNA repair, several cell membrane repair, several mechanical injury repair, cell plasticity Acetylation regulation and about a dozen more repair mechanisms of known cellular machinery.

You don't know what you're talking about, do you.


Not gonna happen. You can't do it. You have nothing.

You took all your rejected papers and self-published a book. You're here to push your religious hallucinations already rejected by the scientific community.

What is it with you religious lunatics and the self-publication of your rejected fantasies? You're as much a fraud as Kleinman.
I knew too that since cell and its members have many Repair mechanisms, then, they are the evidences that the cell is intellen, or intelligently designed, showing further that Evolution is really stupid.
There are only two possibilities: that I am wrong or they are. I think they are, since they could never define intelligence and use that in Biology. Showing further that those who supports Evolution are intellectually dumb. Dumb, because they did not know the topic of intelligence.
That is why, I think that Evolution is a religion.. since how could a 160 years old theory could never define intelligence or instinct... stupid Evolution, right?

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 112 of 507 (904179)
12-22-2022 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by nwr
12-22-2022 10:26 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
You do not understand evolution and you do not understand science.
I understand Evolution, I understand science, I understand reality. You, you did not understand both science and reality.

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Message 113 of 507 (904180)
12-23-2022 1:02 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-22-2022 11:55 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
I understand Evolution, I understand science, I understand reality.
Everything that we have seen you write say the exact opposite.
Yet again, reality contradicts you.
You really need to learn something. Actually, you need to learn a lot.

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 114 of 507 (904186)
12-23-2022 3:12 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Taq
12-22-2022 10:36 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
No, you don't. You don't even understand what a mutation or an allele is. You don't know how natural selection works. You don't even understand the basics of the theory.
In reality, there is no such thing as a frequency allele. Apparently, you aren't basing your ideas on reality. You also don't understand what mutations are or how natural selection works, both of which are part of reality.
How does interrelation produce what we are observing?
I will repeat that I do not care about the stupid explanations of Evolution about mutation or natural selections, since they are all wrong anyway. WHY WRONG? Because Darwin did not have criteria between control to un-control change in frequency alleles. That is stupidity.
I did not say frequency alleles, I said change in freq alleles, and I do not care. Evolution is wrong anyway.
Interrelation, from Biological Interrelation uses intelligence to deal with life and living organisms.
The main mechanism is Intelligent Selection, and not Natural Selection. Nature does not select.

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Message 115 of 507 (904187)
12-23-2022 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by dwise1
12-23-2022 1:02 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
Everything that we have seen you write say the exact opposite.

Yet again, reality contradicts you.

You really need to learn something. Actually, you need to learn a lot.
You forgot that Evolution is wrong because Evolution has no basis of its explanations in science. WHAT BASIS? The basis of change.
Evolution must have criteria or basis of change, if not, Evolution is wrong and dumb.
WHERE is that basis? None! Thus, Evolution is a religion.

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Message 116 of 507 (904188)
12-23-2022 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Tanypteryx
12-22-2022 11:03 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
It's not a religion.

Instead of writing nonsense about evolution, maybe a better strategy would be to tell us about what scientific breakthroughs have been discovered by ID using actual science. You need actual supporting evidence, not made up CRAPOLLA like CIFA and intellen X and UBL, that no one has ever heard of, except for you. Can you even tell us what tests do you apply to measure changes in allele frequency in a population of organisms?
Evolution is religion since it has no answer for two opposing extremes opposites in Biology. Creationism was kicked out in science since Creationism cannot tell which is created X and un-created X. The same with Evolution, Evolution must be kicked out in science.
The FIRST breakthrough is the definition of intelligence, that all definitions, as written in all dictionaries, in all formats, in all languages, must be changed and replaced. The correct one is from my discovered definition.
TEST for what change? There are many changes in biological world, and if you are asking the transitional change to become new species, then, Evolution must answer that first. I had just submitted that falsification paper in science journals for that, since Evolution has no test for that.
Care to answer, or give up?

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Message 117 of 507 (904189)
12-23-2022 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by AZPaul3
12-22-2022 3:09 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
I believe that is our MrID. What google finds is the self-published book he was hawking.
Postrado is a self important fraud.
DEFEAT me first in science, then, I will agree with you.
Amazon.com

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AZPaul3
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Message 118 of 507 (904192)
12-23-2022 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-22-2022 11:53 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
... they are the evidences that the cell is intellen, or intelligently designed, showing further that Evolution is really stupid.
How do they evidence intelligence? Specifically. Physically. What are their specific properties you say denote intelligence?
There are only two possibilities: that I am wrong or they are.
We already know the answer to that. They are not wrong.
Again you rage on evolution instead of supporting your own work. Is your work that bad? Must be since you can't explain it adequately.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 119 of 507 (904193)
12-23-2022 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-23-2022 3:25 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
DEFEAT me first in science, then, I will agree with you.
Fool. Science already DEFEATED you! Rejected your papers and sent you packing.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 120 of 507 (904199)
12-23-2022 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-23-2022 3:12 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
I will repeat that I do not care about the stupid explanations of Evolution about mutation or natural selections, since they are all wrong anyway.
The problem is you don't even know what mutations or natural selection are, much less what any theory says about them.
WHY WRONG? Because Darwin did not have criteria between control to un-control change in frequency alleles.
There's no such thing as frequency alleles. That is something you made up.
I did not say frequency alleles, I said change in freq alleles, and I do not care. Evolution is wrong anyway.
There's no such thing as freq alleles, either. You don't even know what Evolution says, so how can you know it is wrong?
Interrelation, from Biological Interrelation uses intelligence to deal with life and living organisms.
The main mechanism is Intelligent Selection, and not Natural Selection. Nature does not select.
Based on what evidence? What are the criteria you are using?

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