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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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No I leave my balls where they belong and my balls have nothing to do with my intelligence and capabilities. Many of the strongest most intelligent people I know have no balls.
This is my subtle way of pointing out the misogyny you portray all the time. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theo writes: I dont have anything yet, but I will mention the top holders of gold as being Central Banks and the IMF. Global debt is itself a bubble. There will be a reset. As jar used to always say, "the bill will get paid". It may seem silly to have a dollar backed by gold but it is even sillier to imagine the trust of the public at large being stable.
So present a proposal to have the US dollar backed by gold reserves.Seems silly and not possible, but go ahead and tell us how it would be done.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
So you don't even understand the basics of what you propose and claim. The ridiculousness and impossibility of having a modern currency based on a commodity has been posted out tou in the past. Did you just ignore that? Do you remember expressing support for crypto? What is their value based on?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Obviously false. Families are cooperative, not competitive. Parents don't typically take the food out of their children's mouths. The world as we know it is competitive before it is cooperative. That's human nature. (Funny how right-wing nuts claim to be "pro-family", yet they define "human nature" as decidedly anti-family.)
Phat writes:
What "it" is that? The conspiracy to make a "New World Order"? Who is doing the conspiring? And don't blame the Republicans when it happens. (By the way, the anti-Semitic conspiracy nuts that I mentioned a while ago, the ones who sounded exactly like you, they were sure that the "New World Order" would come about by the year 2000.)Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You don't know what "authoritarian" means. You and your extremist (not evidenced) view of Democracy and reality is both authoritarian and disgusting. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Hey Phat, how do you feel about billionaire Trump paying sod-all tax? He paid less than you did, does that seem fair to you?
quote: Trump's tax returns are released. It was a long journey - BBC NewsJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You could take 50% of the wealth from the Forbes 400 and barely make a dent in the national debt. That's what irritates me....this huge debt. And it's Democrats as well as Republicans that have created that debt.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: You could take 50% of the wealth from the Forbes 400 and barely make a dent in the national debt. That's what irritates me....this huge debt. And it's Democrats as well as Republicans that have created that debt. So you think it's ok for the super wealthy to pay no tax?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
How are you going to tax them? They have legal loopholes. Fair is not the issue. I think its unfair for the middle class to get wiped out simply to help the poor since the rich won't do it if thats what you mean.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Phat asks:
How are you going to tax them? They have legal loopholes. Fair is not the issue. By electing Representatives and Senators who will KILL those FUCKING LOOPHOLES. Since all Republicans and a good amount of Democrats all suck the Cocks ofthe 0.1% richest, we have to start at the beginning. the whole of congress can be replaced in 6 years. "I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Phat writes: How are you going to tax them? Before we get into that I'd like to you to say that you don't think it's fair that Trump pays less tax than pretty much anyone in America, including a store supervisor.
They have legal loopholes.
So hire a government that fixes unfair loopholes for the rich.(I suspect that won't be a Trump-style government.) Fair is not the issue. Fair taxation is exactly the issue.
I think its unfair for the middle class to get wiped out simply to help the poor since the rich won't do it if thats what you mean. You're changing the subject.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Who made the loopholes? How are you going to tax them? They have legal loopholes. YOU keep electing governments who let assholes like Trump avoid paying taxes. YOU are cutting your own throat, letting the rich get away with robbing you. YOU are Trump's best friend.
Phat writes:
I keep trying to tell you, helping the poor won't hurt you. Wiping out the poor - by making them middle-class - will make taxpayers of them, which will ease your tax burden. Teach a man to fish and you can keep more fish for yourself. I think its unfair for the middle class to get wiped out simply to help the poor ...Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: Tax them all you want. You still will have an unpayable National Debt. A tax increase for the wealthy wont solve the fiscal problems that a Democratically appointed Federal Reserve has caused. The Democrats will get rightly blamed for the next economic crash. So you think it's ok for the super wealthy to pay no tax? Raising taxes wont prevent this crises. We lied to ourselves when we thought that fiat currencies were a good idea. Don't listen to me. Ask your revered financial experts. The buck stops with them.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
tangle writes: OK its not fair. My point, however, is that taxing the rich will not and never has been able to fix Democratically created problems. The problem in my mind is that idealogues thought that money could be backed only by the people (globally, perhaps?) and that we would all finally embrace and agree on a kum-ba-yah platform that helps every widow, takes care of every old person, educates every child and keeps *all* of us healthy and allows thieves free reign over the retailers. Poor darlings! Those mean Republicans are to blame! I'd like to you to say that you don't think it's fair that Trump pays less tax than pretty much anyone in America, including a store supervisor. *sheesh, give me a break!* The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Phat writes: Tax them all you want. You still will have an unpayable National Debt. You just can't bring yourself to say that people - whoever they are - should pay their fair share of tax can you? You don't actually want a fair society, a Christian society, where people all chip in for the common good at all do you?
A tax increase for the wealthy wont solve the fiscal problems that a Democratically appointed Federal Reserve has caused. I couldn't care less about the crap that you're obsessing about today, the point is to imagine a fair system and implement it. After that you might find that other things become possible too.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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