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Author Topic:   Is ID falsifiable by any kind of experiment?
ringo
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Message 121 of 507 (904200)
12-23-2022 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-23-2022 3:21 AM


Re: ID About to Fail?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Evolution is religion since it has no answer for two opposing extremes opposites in Biology.
That makes no sense. No religion defines itself that way.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
The FIRST breakthrough is the definition of intelligence, that all definitions, as written in all dictionaries, in all formats, in all languages, must be changed and replaced.
No.
Nobody is going to re-define intelligence on your say-so.
My own simple definition of intelligence is the ability to learn. YOU do not have the ability to learn. If you did, you would have learned that evolution is the way it works. Your puny attempts to discredit evolution do not work.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 150 of 507 (904352)
12-27-2022 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-25-2022 4:53 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
One of the reasons why Evolution is wrong is for the carelessness and lack of precision of Evolution and its supporters.
As I said, you have no clue.
Evolution is the most robust theory that science has ever devised. Evolution is many times more complete, precise and accurate than gravity, for example.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
You cannot simply invent definition of intelligence at will.
I haven't invented anything. I have boiled down the definition of intelligence as far as I can - but apparently it's still too much for you yo understand.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
You must support your definition with test and experiment...
Nonsense.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
... and your definition must be universal that applicable in all topics.
It is.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Thus, Evolution and you are all totally wrong in science.
Your problem is that you've started from a totally false premise. Learn what evolution is before you try to make conclusions about whether it's "right" or "wrong". Your sources have been lying to you. You just look like a fool repeating those lies here.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
You must do better than that.
I'm doing fine. Notice that none of the smart people are disagreeing with me.
YOU are the one who must do better if you hope to destroy the whole edifice of science. And make no mistake, you are trying to attack ALL of science, not just evolution. Your sources have lied to you, telling you that evolution is the only "bad" part of science. Evolution is an integral part of science. NOBODY can separate evolution from science, least of all a know-nothing like you.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 179 of 507 (904466)
12-30-2022 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-29-2022 2:50 AM


[qs=MrIntelligentDesign]Re: ID About to Fail?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
As I had told here many times that anybody and everybody can invent definitions...
And any goober can throw out somebody else's definitions, just like any goober can tear down a building.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
...but are those invented definitions correct and part of reality?
Go ahead and show that they are not. Anybody can tear down a building but can you build a replacement?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Words always convey meaning, but if distorted, will also convey distorted meaning.
So go ahead and undistort. All you've done so far is whine. Do something constructive.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 180 of 507 (904468)
12-30-2022 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-30-2022 10:01 AM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
How could they explain reality in biological world without knowing unguided to guided X?
You have been asked many times, how do YOU tell the difference between guided and unguided. What is the answer?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 181 of 507 (904469)
12-30-2022 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-30-2022 10:05 AM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
I think that you should go to mental hospital for you cannot define and explain the topic of intelligence.
I gave you a simple definition: Intelligence is the ability to learn. Go ahead and tell us what is wrong with that definition.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 190 of 507 (904511)
12-31-2022 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-30-2022 8:37 PM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
But you are asking me to answer my own question, because you cannot asnwer it?
YOU have already drawn the conclusion that "it was designed". How did YOU draw that conclusion? How do YOU tell designed from not designed so YOU can draw a conclusion.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Can you answer it or not?
It doesn't matter whether i can answer it or not. YOU are trying to push YOUR conclusion, so YOU have to be able to explain HOW you drew your conclusion.
But you can't. So your conclusion is invalid.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 192 of 507 (904513)
12-31-2022 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-30-2022 8:41 PM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
ringo writes:
I gave you a simple definition: Intelligence is the ability to learn. Go ahead and tell us what is wrong with that definition.
It is wrong since it cannot answer a real scientific question in biology, like:

Is biological cell intelligently designed or not?
How is that a "real question" in biology?
I googled "Is life intelligently designed?"
Wikipedia calls intelligent design "a pseudoscientific argument for the existence of God".
The ACLU calls inelligent design "a pseudoscientific set of beliefs".
The Center for American Progress calls intelligent design "a less comprehensive alternative to evolutionary theory".
There don't seem to be many actual scientists who think it is a "real question in biology".
So try again. What's wrong with my definition?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
WHICH means, that the definition above that you had given is not scientific, not even realistic, but just freely invented by someone who was ignorant of reality and ignorant of science, without any basis from reality.
On the contrary, my definition does not disagree in any way with science, reality, the US Constitution, The Lord of the Rings, etc.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
FREEDOM is good, but we are not free to make our own reality, since that is fantasy.
As long as your "designer" can't be put on a lab bench and analyzed, your idea of "intelligent design" is a fantasy.


Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 193 of 507 (904514)
12-31-2022 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-30-2022 9:38 PM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
I really pity those supporters of Evolution...
Do you pity the winners of the SuperBowl?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 239 of 507 (905555)
01-30-2023 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by MrIntelligentDesign
01-30-2023 2:32 AM


Re: Lost & Found
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
The reason why you cannot falsify and rebut Evolution Theory because you are supporting a fantasy.
We can't falsify elephants either.
Do ya know why?
Because they are reality.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 241 of 507 (905557)
01-30-2023 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Phat
01-30-2023 12:32 PM


Re: Lost & Found
Phat writes:
So in essence what you appear to be suggesting is that the reason that Mr.I D can attack evolutionary theory is because he essentially made his own straw man to knock down.
I don't think he even has an actual straw man. He just has a belief that there IS an evolution strawman. He can't even articulate what it is, let alone knock it down. He has been told by creationist liars that there IS an evolution strawman that THEY can knock down but he knows nothing beyond that.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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