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Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 2791 of 2932 (905687)
02-02-2023 10:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 2790 by Kleinman
01-31-2023 1:26 PM
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Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes: ... a link that couldn't explain the Kishony experiment.
Couldn'nt explain it to YOU, maybe, but nobody else seems to have a problem understanding it. When you learn the difference between your grandfather and your cousin, you might be able to understand the Kishony experiment too.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2792 of 2932 (905718)
02-02-2023 12:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 2791 by ringo
02-02-2023 10:42 AM
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Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
... a link that couldn't explain the Kishony experiment.ringo:
Couldn'nt explain it to YOU, maybe, but nobody else seems to have a problem understanding it. When you learn the difference between your grandfather and your cousin, you might be able to understand the Kishony experiment too.
vimesey couldn't explain it to anyone because his link to that paper did not have the correct mathematics. The mathematics is actually very simple, dwise1 almost does it correctly. The mutation rate gives the probability of success in a single replication (a mutation occurs). Since the mutation rate is a very small number, it will take many replications to have a reasonable probability of having a single success. Mutations are also random events so the joint probabilities of more than a single adaptive mutation occurring on a lineage must be computed by multiplication. The Kishony (and the Lenski) experiment demonstrates these mathematical facts. Your indoctrination prevents you and biologists from understanding these simple mathematical facts of life. That's why biologists have failed to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.2
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Message 2793 of 2932 (905722)
02-02-2023 1:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 2792 by Kleinman
02-02-2023 12:49 PM
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Re: Forewarned.
Oh my! I feel a bubble burst coming on!
blah blah your indoctrination prevents you and biologists from blah blah understanding these simple blah blah blah Phfeww. Ooo, that was ... dull actually. This must be the Incompetent Kleinman thread.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2794 of 2932 (905730)
02-02-2023 2:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 2793 by AZPaul3
02-02-2023 1:19 PM
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Re: Forewarned.
APaul3:
Oh my! I feel a bubble burst coming on!
That is because your mind is dull of comprehension.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 2795 of 2932 (905777)
02-03-2023 11:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 2792 by Kleinman
02-02-2023 12:49 PM
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Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes: vimesey couldn't explain it to anyone....
I'd be happy if he could explain to you the difference between grandparents and cousins. But that seems to be beyond your understanding. Edited by ringo, .
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 2796 of 2932 (905780)
02-03-2023 11:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 2794 by Kleinman
02-02-2023 2:49 PM
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Re: Forewarned.
What does "dull of comprehension" mean? Seems an odd combination of words.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Re: Forewarned.
It just means he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Stile
Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: 12-02-2004
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Re: Forewarned.
Theodoric writes: What does "dull of comprehension" mean? Seems an odd combination of words. Just a keyboard typo. He pressed "d" instead of "f" by accident. He's also dull of ducks.
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2799 of 2932 (905783)
02-03-2023 1:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 2795 by ringo
02-03-2023 11:40 AM
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Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
vimesey couldn't explain it to anyone....ringo:
I'd be happy if he could explain to you the difference between grandparents and cousins. But that seems to be beyond your understanding.
Try attributing the quote correctly, silly tenderfoot.
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: Forewarned.
Theodoric:
What does "dull of comprehension" mean? Seems an odd combination of words.
Theodoric is slow of understanding.
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: Forewarned.
Tanypteryx:
It just means he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Tany is confused, he thinks we are talking about his delusions about ERVs, all 200,000 infections in a single lineage.
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2802 of 2932 (905786)
02-03-2023 1:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 2798 by Stile
02-03-2023 12:42 PM
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Re: Forewarned.
Theodoric:
What does "dull of comprehension" mean? Seems an odd combination of words.Stile:
Just a keyboard typo. He pressed "d" instead of "f" by accident.
He's also dull of ducks.
There is no typo error on that one. Just the correct description of AZPaul3's understanding of the evolution of drug resistance. And your understanding is no better.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 2803 of 2932 (905787)
02-03-2023 3:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 2800 by Kleinman
02-03-2023 1:12 PM
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Re: Forewarned.
So you mean lacking in comprehension? The word dull does not even fit there.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: Forewarned.
Theodoric:
So you mean lacking in comprehension? The word dull does not even fit there.
If you were sharp, you wouldn't be so sluggish.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 2805 of 2932 (905791)
02-03-2023 5:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 2804 by Kleinman
02-03-2023 3:39 PM
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Re: Forewarned.
Well it seems your grasp of language is as equally lacking as your grasp of math, evolution and familial relationships.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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