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AZPaul3
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Message 436 of 444 (906006)
02-06-2023 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 430 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:15 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
Their biggest motivation should be to have the scientific method work properly.
You know there is no one scientific method? There are a lot of them. Each one specifically designed custom for a specific project. Yes, they pretty much all follow a set of parameters, and peer review will determine if a specific method is appropriate to the experimental design being studied.
In science, everything has to work properly in order to get it right. That's why there is a method. That's why there is a protocol for statistical analysis. That's why the design is set up as it is. If it is ALL done right then the scientist has reached the required minimum.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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ringo
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Message 437 of 444 (906007)
02-06-2023 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 432 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:34 AM


riVeRraT writes:
My initial thought is if P(E)=0 both P and E would have to be zero.
That doesn't make any sense to me. P is a function, isn't it? The value of P depends on E. P may be 0 for some value(s) of E, whether E is zero or not.
Compare f(x) = mx + b. When x = 0, f(x) is only 0 if b is also 0.
It's forty-some years since i took a math class, so....
riVeRraT writes:
What does this have to do with learning how not to be offended?
What does anything you have said have to do with learning not to be offended? It looks to me like you rose from the dead and started this thread just to be offended.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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riVeRraT
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Message 438 of 444 (906008)
02-06-2023 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 427 by AZPaul3
02-06-2023 11:04 AM


AZPaul3 writes:
Is there a difference? Are you really so gone dumb that you think these are separate? Math is the tool. It is the language of science. They are inseparable.
I just wanted you to explain it a little further, but you just resorted to insulting again.
I would even say math is one of the tools of the scientific method, not "science". Science is subjective, requires faith, and the scientific method is not.

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Taq
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Message 439 of 444 (906009)
02-06-2023 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:05 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
Riverrat writes:
One can even say the faith I put in God is the same faith people put in science.
You could also say that the Earth is flat. Just saying a thing does not make it true.
If you have to define faith in a way that makes it meaningless then there's a problem. When you can demonstrate that something is true using demonstrable facts then that isn't faith.
In my conversation with chat gtp it was made clear that subjective evidence IS evidence.
It just shows that you determine the trustworthiness of what is said by how well it agrees with your already held prejudices.
Atheists churches are the evolution of the way men think, they inherently do not get along, and that is the reason for war.
I find it fascinating that believers try to discredit atheists by making them look more like believers. It's the very definition of psychological projection.

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ringo
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Message 440 of 444 (906016)
02-06-2023 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 435 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:45 AM


riVeRraT writes:
ringo writes:
Confidence is not the same as either trust or faith.
​They are synonyms
They CAN be synonyms. And synonyms CAN mean exactly the same OR they can mean subtly different.
I look at synonyms as a warning sign. If there is a synonym for a word, be careful which one you use.
riVeRraT writes:
I have faith in God, and on our money it says "In God We Trust", same thing.
Not really. I believe you exist and I would trust you to fix my HVAC but I have no confidence in your thoughts outside your profession. Three different meanings.
riVeRraT writes:
It's nit picking and goes beyond my point.
But not MY point.
riVeRraT writes:
ringo writes:
Dynamite can actually move mountains.
​Not by talking to it.
Neither can God. Go ahead, prove me wrong with prayer.
riVeRraT writes:
Do you have some kind of absolute definition for love?
Yes. Love is what you DO.
Staying up all night with a sick child is love.
Beating a child is not love.
Saying, "I love you," is not love.
Jesus defined it pretty clearly in Matthew 25.
riVeRraT writes:
Isn't this concept at the core of this topic, and why you can never "not offend anyone"?
I don't see why anybody would be offended by being loved. Or by NOT being loved, for that matter.
riVeRraT writes:
Love for your children is 100% subjective.
See above.
riVeRraT writes:
The problem is the demonization of me...
I don't believe in demons.
riVeRraT writes:
... to make anything I say wrong...
I hesitate to mention the Talmud, Midrash, etc. since jar is back and he knows a lot more about it than I do... but Jewish thought emphasizes two (or more) sides to every issue.
The Bible does too, to a lesser extent:
quote:
Proverbs 26:4-5 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
So yes, I do point out the other side.
riVeRraT writes:
... and to give free rein to say anything you want to me.
Percy handles my reins. But believe it or not, I do censor myself once in a while.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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AZPaul3
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Message 441 of 444 (906030)
02-06-2023 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 438 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:58 AM


Science is subjective, requires faith, and the scientific method is not.
Only in your twisted little religious world. You missed the entire world of reality, didn't you?
Science is your superior. Science drives faith to its knees and explodes reality into the light where you try to hide your gods. They are still missing.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 442 of 444 (906101)
02-07-2023 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 441 by AZPaul3
02-06-2023 12:53 PM


Science: Our Superior
AZAntiTheist writes:
Science is your superior. Science drives faith to its knees and explodes reality into the light where you try to hide your gods. They are still missing.
I've got my gods stuffed under the mattress where they are quite safe. My only comment is that saying that Science is my superior is like saying Oxygen is my superior and Nitrogen isn't.
Science may well be your superior. Perhaps your Mother Superior?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Taq
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Message 443 of 444 (906111)
02-07-2023 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 442 by Phat
02-07-2023 10:23 AM


Re: Science: Our Superior
Phat writes:
My only comment is that saying that Science is my superior is like saying Oxygen is my superior and Nitrogen isn't.
There are many believers and creationists in these discussions who tacitly admit that science is superior to their beliefs. They do this when they try to discredit science by calling it a religion. Funny how you never see scientists trying to discredit Christianity by calling it a science.

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ringo
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Message 444 of 444 (906121)
02-07-2023 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 442 by Phat
02-07-2023 10:23 AM


Re: Science: Our Superior
Phat writes:
My only comment is that saying that Science is my superior is like saying Oxygen is my superior and Nitrogen isn't.
That makes no sense. Except for the needs of biologicals, oxygen and nitrogen are roughly equivalent (in an Ideal Gas Law kind of way).
Science has no equivalent

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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