The journey has meaning. I see it and feel it every day. What you think and spout is meaningless. I am going to leave here, listen to music and start making dinner for my family. The meaning in that is infinitely more than some bizarre hope of ever-lasting bliss in some heaven. I have no desire to go to any sort of heaven. I have no desire to exist forever. It is s creepy, disgusting fantasy.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
In other words, it's evident they do indeed "need 'purpose' from the universe."
APauling666 writes:
You missed the part where our purpose is self-generated. Not 'from' anything but our own emotions.
You missed the part where "the universe" includes us and our emotions.
Dishonest, Dredge. I speak of self purpose and you tack on 'from the universe'. Bad form.
How can you separate "self-purpose" from "the universe"? That is irrational.
My unbiased assessment of your comment is that it's devoid of merit, bordering on senseless.
Sorry, but your argument fails. Try harder next time ... and you might finally graduate from elementary school.
Dredge writes:
Only an eternity gives life meaning.
APauling666 writes:
For you, I can see why. You fear the reaper, the coming void.
No point fearing death, either way.
On one hand, if I were an atheist, I would regard life as meaningless and worthless, so death doesn't deserve to be feared, since it's as just as meaningless as life. Why fear something that's meaningless? That would be stupid.
On the other hand, as a faithful Catholic, I have no reason to fear death coz it's my belief that the sooner I die the sooner I get to Heaven. So as far as I'm concerned, bring it on, Mr. Reaper.
You cannot fathom your ceased existence.
I agree 100%. I can't fathom a finite life, which is meaningless and worthless. This is bcoz "he (God) has put eternity into man’s heart" - Ecclesiastes 3:11.
In other words, the desire to live forever is inherent in man's divine nature, who is made in the image of God.
We're on a road to nowhere", song by Talking Heads, 1985.
The road that leads to nowhere but death and oblivion has "meaning"? Fascinating.
I see it and feel it and feel it every day.
The delusion that your life has meaning is nothing but an irrational survival mechanism.
I am going to leave here, listen to music and start making dinner for my family. The meaning in that is infinitely more than some bizarre hope of ever-lasting bliss in some heaven.
Is your mind really that small?
I have no desire to go to any sort of heaven.
Well, you're easily pleased!
I have no desire to exist forever.
So you'd rather be dead than alive. Wow, you must really hate life!
It is a creepy, disgusting fantasy.
So a finite life has "meaning", but eternal life is "a creepy, disgusting fantasy."
Notice in the video how the Talking Heads and their backup vocals had no shoes on! Classic!
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
The journey has meaning because the Past is History and the Future is a mystery. All that we really experience is the Present. He gives us the gift of life. Each day has a meaning of its own.
Matt 6:33-34 NIV writes:
3 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Relax and enjoy the journey, Dredge. Even your one true church should have taught you that.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
No. All I am saying is that you or I are no judge as to who is an atheist or where they go or what their view is on meaning. Im still trying to figure you out. You claim exclusive status as a member of the True Church Universal, yet you go on and on about evolution and attack the theory as if you are working for some angry God Himself. Do you really think you are helping the peanut gallery by changing their names and mocking them?
Dredge writes:
On one hand, if I were an atheist, I would regard life as meaningless and worthless, so death doesn't deserve to be feared, since it's as just as meaningless as life. Why fear something that's meaningless? That would be stupid. On the other hand, as a faithful Catholic, I have no reason to fear death coz it's my belief that the sooner I die the sooner I get to Heaven. So as far as I'm concerned, bring it on, Mr. Reaper.
To Whom are you faithful? Also...how do you or I even know what we would "think" were we atheists?
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
The (atheist) journey starts from a state of meaninglessness (pre-birth/conception) and its destination is death, which is also state of meaninglessness.
It's the journey in between that has meaning.
You seem like the worst kind of person to travel with. All you would want to do is get to the hotel at the end of the drive, missing all of the wonderful scenery and comradery along the way.
So you're saying the journey from a state of meaninglessness back to a state of meaninglessness has "meaning".
Absolutely. Don't your loved ones mean something to you? Doesn't the experience of walking through nature and seeing beautiful sights mean anything to you? Doesn't time spent with friends enjoying each others' company mean anything to you? Does learning new things mean anything to you?
So you're saying the journey from a state of meaninglessness back to a state of meaninglessness has "meaning".
Yep. Your little noggin can't handle that?
Meaning is self generated by life. If there is no life (self) there cannot be meaning.
So the timeline is "void - life - void". That precisely says "meaningless - meaning - meaningless". Or better "eternal void - life and meaning and purpose - eternal void" since nothing, not even meaninglessness, exists in the void.
I know it strains the brain but do try to think these things through before you post.
And no, it's not an odd philosophy. This is the demonstrable reality of the universe.
Then you must have been lying when you told us how stupid you are. Are you a smart crook or an honest fool? Or both?
Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
The atheist's anthem ... "We're on a road to nowhere", song by Talking Heads, 1985.
My anthem is, "We are stardust. We are golden." by Joni Mitchell. Much better than being the slaves of some alien overlord.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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