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Phat
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Message 211 of 352 (906581)
02-13-2023 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by jar
02-13-2023 3:21 PM


Re: But Think Of The Children.
jar writes:
Agreed. So a younger. stronger, more energetic worker should be paid more that the older worker relying on seniority.
Not necessarily. Older workers have needs also. We are preparing to retire, after all. And in fact, some younger workers have already been promoted to more demanding jobs than mine and do, in fact, make more an hour than I do. By the way, did you hear of the evil Cerberus Private Equity firm and what they are planning on doing? I can fill you in onn the details, but I must get ready for work right now. Thank God I still have a job! The Unions all across America are fighting what is publicly presented as a merger but is, in fact, a private takeover and payoff to wealthy investors.

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Phat
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Message 212 of 352 (906582)
02-13-2023 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by AZPaul3
02-13-2023 3:25 PM


Re: But Think Of The Children.
No. They have it quite easy. The hardest working CC's are adults. And they get paid a decent wage...though not quite what APFC(All Purpose Food Clerks) make.

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Message 213 of 352 (906587)
02-13-2023 4:24 PM
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02-13-2023 3:29 PM


Re: But Think Of The Children.
Then stop comparing it to the republican moves PZ was highlighting. The republicans are allowing businesses to employ kids in dangerous jobs and propose to exempt the employer from liability in case of harm (like death).
You support this? Does your union? Where is your union's, or any union's, statement of opposition to this erosion of worker rights it took two centuries to build?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 214 of 352 (906588)
02-13-2023 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Phat
02-13-2023 3:27 PM


Try thinking Phat
LOL
Phat, that takeover is called capitalism.
Unions are socialism.

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Phat
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Message 215 of 352 (906601)
02-14-2023 2:39 AM
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02-13-2023 4:24 PM


Re: Try thinking Phat
I know that. Capitalism has a bad side. Socialism is useful in some ways. Unity is ALWAYS preferable to DIVISION. How am I not thinking, jar? I was born at night but not LAST night.

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Message 216 of 352 (906602)
02-14-2023 7:29 AM
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02-14-2023 2:39 AM


Re: Try thinking Phat
You still totally fail to comprehend what the words you use mean.
In particular, you have no understanding what money means or socialism means or fascism means or ...
It's not all about YOU!

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Message 217 of 352 (906604)
02-14-2023 10:34 AM
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02-14-2023 7:29 AM


Re: Try thinking Phat
But to him it is all about him.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 218 of 352 (906606)
02-14-2023 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Theodoric
02-14-2023 10:34 AM


Re: Try thinking Phat
And to you it is all about us. (Not ALL of us.) Just you and your adopted ideology for the poor victims of the world. You use this narrative to try and rewrite and redefine everybody elses.I do have specific examples, though I honestly cant generalize progressives into any one camp any more than you do with Christians.
Why do you never mention Stalin and Mao and the hundereds of millions they killed? Oohhh but what about Andrew Jackson, you whine. Oohhh but what about those evil Christians?
What about the good Christians that built the place you all wanna tear down with your Identity Politics?

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Message 219 of 352 (906610)
02-14-2023 1:05 PM
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02-14-2023 12:15 PM


Re: Try thinking Phat
Why would I mention Stalin and Mao? They were evil megalomaniacs. I have nothing in common with them. Our ideologies are nothing alike.
Andrew Jackson was a vile man that openly practiced genocide. If you want to embrace him that says a lot about you.
Do you even understand what the term identity politics means? Or is it just something you heard on a youtube video you watched?
If you want to talk about identity politics start a topic, I am sure the peanut gallery will wipe the floor with you on that topic too.
You are a self-centered, narcissistic, privileged, self-entitled, scared little white man that is afraid that the BIPOC and LGBQT people that always had to study harder, work harder, and try harder than you are passing you by. Tough shit.
Yes, it is always about us. If you are only concerned about self you do nothing to contribute to the health of society or the continuation of the species.
So cry all you want little man. No one cares or is listening.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 220 of 352 (906612)
02-14-2023 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Theodoric
02-14-2023 1:05 PM


Scared Little Man
My friend says you dont know me that well yet hit the nail on the head. He thinks you are projecting. I told him that you are likely a self made man as was my Dad and are not as lavish towards your kids as were my parents. You would proudly let the government help them. But overall, by calling me a little man you are challenging me to grow bigger. To have a heart for the downtrodden and oppressed.
And I think you think that is good for those of us who grew up with white privilege to suck it up and help the poor impoverished masses. I would say that you and your ideology are NOT helping them in many cases.

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Message 221 of 352 (906617)
02-14-2023 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Phat
02-14-2023 3:17 PM


Re: Scared Little Man
I am projecting nothing.
I am half Puerto Rican and half New Englander. My whole life I have been stuck between two cultures. Never really fitting into either. I and many family members have suffered extreme discrimination. To see me I would look like a stereotypical middle aged white guy. I have suffered discrimination and hate just because of what my last name is and where my father was born.
Not sure what being a self-made man means. I put myself through college. My parents helped as musch as they could. I worked full time while attending school full time. I went to a well-respected catholic school and received my B.A.'s in History and Sociology in 4 years. I started my M.A. at a major university, but did not complete because of burn out and the stress of debt.
After that I had multiple careers, from selling suits to being general manager of a small chain of convenience stores. My last real job was a business systems analyst for a major health insurance company.
I am 60 and have not had a real job in 18 years. I married well. At that time my wife finished her medical residency and we moved to a small town. We decided better if I stayed home and took care of things rather than work for a minimal wage. Then the kid came along and I still don't have a job. I stay busy. Take care of the house, cook, and clean. We have 40 acres and heat with wood. I am always available to help out friends. I volunteer a bit.
So yeah, I am a self-made man. I have made myself into the man I want to be and that my wife and boys can be proud of.
I am not afraid of people taking my privilege. I have been extremely privileged in my life and hope I can use that privilege to assist people to achieve a better life. I will not be a scared little man.
You and your friend do not know shit about me, so you can both go fuck yourselves

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 222 of 352 (906620)
02-14-2023 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Theodoric
02-14-2023 3:43 PM


Re: Scared Little Man
Oww. A house husband. A kept man. A bowl of clam chowder with a pina colada.
Sounds to me you done good. When's dinner? Can I bring a wine?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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jar
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Message 223 of 352 (906621)
02-14-2023 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by AZPaul3
02-14-2023 4:35 PM


Re: Scared Little Man
More likely a torona Que.

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Message 224 of 352 (906624)
02-14-2023 4:49 PM
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02-14-2023 3:43 PM


Re: Scared Little Man
I am 60 and have not had a real job in 18 years.
Managing a household seems like a real job to me.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 225 of 352 (906625)
02-14-2023 4:51 PM
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02-14-2023 4:42 PM


Re: Scared Little Man
Gesundheit.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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