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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
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Message 295 of 1104 (906650)
02-15-2023 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by RAZD
02-28-2019 3:38 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
RAZD writes:
Evolution exquisitely explains why each system is stuck within the nested hierarchy where they evolved, unable to cross-over to appear in an organism from a different nested hierarchy, and also why elements that are "good enough" are seen rather than optimized elements.
Could you elaborate? How does evolution explain all this exquisitely? And how do we verify the validity of these explanations?

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Message 300 of 1104 (906662)
02-15-2023 7:38 PM
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02-15-2023 3:22 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
In a way, we see many cross overs of systems. But calling it cross overs, would imply a process of evolution had taken place.
Example of "cross over" is flight. Many different groups within totally different locations in the hierarchy have a flight system. And of course the system is adapted to fit the physique of the specific organisms.
But the bigger question I was asking about was the explanation for the supposed sub-optimality by evolution. How exactly does evolution explain this so exquisitely?

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Message 301 of 1104 (906667)
02-15-2023 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Taq
02-15-2023 3:22 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
The part I quoted was about two things: systems being stuck and not crossing over and elements being good enough instead of optimal.
My question was about these two things.

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Message 303 of 1104 (906740)
02-16-2023 1:36 PM
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02-16-2023 1:01 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Of course we don't see bats with bird-like wings. Bats have denser mammal bones. They have wings well suited and adapted to their physique. If you expected anything else from design, you have some serious misunderstandings about biology and physics.

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Message 305 of 1104 (906744)
02-16-2023 1:45 PM
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02-16-2023 1:01 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Yes, better than competitors is sufficient. But at what level of optimality would that be? Any level that we observe, you could say that is better than enough of the competitors. This does not really add anything of significance to test common ancestry of all life.

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Message 306 of 1104 (906747)
02-16-2023 1:52 PM
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02-16-2023 1:42 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Replacing genes is not designing organisms at all. That is making alterations to existing organisms at most.
You do understand that hollow bones are easier to lift than denser bones, do you?
Of course bats could have feathers and lay eggs. But then we would call them birds, not bats. You are making up hypothetical situations that are not there, and therefor totally irrelevant.

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Message 310 of 1104 (906802)
02-16-2023 4:49 PM
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02-16-2023 3:20 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Similarities and differences are a given, in the genotype as well as in the phenotype. You seem to think that close similarity can only mean common ancestry. This is false for sure. Many things can look very similar without having any common origin. But you deny such basic facts and reality, rather sticking to your flawed logic.

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Message 311 of 1104 (906803)
02-16-2023 4:52 PM
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02-16-2023 3:16 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Bats can fly perfectly fine. So what is your problem? Ligher bones solves a problem that does not exist. Good luck with your flawed backwards logic.

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Message 312 of 1104 (906804)
02-16-2023 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 307 by Theodoric
02-16-2023 3:09 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Hahaha, you must think you are so smart.

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Message 313 of 1104 (906806)
02-16-2023 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by Taq
02-16-2023 3:20 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Arguing that a god could have done something differently is in no way evidence that a god could not have done it the way it is.

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Message 315 of 1104 (906808)
02-16-2023 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by Taq
02-16-2023 3:20 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
So this seems to be your line of reasoning:
If universal common ancestry were true, then it would have produced some nested hierarchy. So any nested hierarchy that we find, must be a result of common ancestry. Because if it came from design, it could have been designed in different ways.
No wonder you think the nested hierarchy is so great, while it really isn't. Your reasoning is totally flawed. Don't expect me to stoop down to your level of "brilliance" and accept your false theories.

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Message 316 of 1104 (906809)
02-16-2023 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by AZPaul3
02-16-2023 5:04 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Religion is not the topic here. You still fail to grasp that? Keep insisting on changing the topic? If we start doing that, why won't you start proving abiogenisis and Big Bang?

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Message 319 of 1104 (906812)
02-16-2023 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by AZPaul3
02-16-2023 5:18 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
When science has a theory that contradicts reality, then the theory is false. Simple as that!

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Message 320 of 1104 (906813)
02-16-2023 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 318 by AZPaul3
02-16-2023 5:24 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Troll

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Message 326 of 1104 (906824)
02-16-2023 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by AZPaul3
02-16-2023 5:39 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
I don't hate science. If anybody hates science, it's you, as you kee abusing it with flawed logic, false theories and wrong assumpsions.

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