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Message 668 of 1197 (906259)
02-09-2023 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 667 by Taq
02-09-2023 11:59 AM


Re: Typical?
Why would God limit himself to a nested hierarchy when it is entirely unnecessary?
To fool his creation into thinking this was the work of evil evolution? To lie to the host of followers to test their faith?
Because if he didn't then the jesus-meat munchers and malevolent bible thumpers have nothing to hold up that part of their lie?

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Message 671 of 1197 (906375)
02-11-2023 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 670 by Dredge
02-11-2023 10:10 AM


It looks like crap to me. Just like your posts.
But, it is your avatar and, like your religion, you can give it whatever attributes you want regardless of reality. Just know that where you see class, truth and sanity, the rest of us see garbage.

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Message 673 of 1197 (906389)
02-11-2023 12:16 PM
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02-11-2023 12:13 PM


No you don't and neither do I since the disaster that is my life has been pretty good. I wasn't stunted by religion.

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Message 675 of 1197 (906401)
02-11-2023 1:04 PM
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02-11-2023 12:51 PM


Jesus Muncher
Yucky Eucharist Cruncher? I thought that was you? You do still munch the jesus-meat don't you? Your lack of intellect says you still do.

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Message 685 of 1197 (906557)
02-13-2023 12:38 PM
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02-13-2023 12:25 PM


I wonder if any human being has ever uttered anything stupider than that.
Read your own posts.

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Message 693 of 1197 (906670)
02-15-2023 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 692 by sensei
02-15-2023 8:08 PM


Re: Typical?
You do not understand the position being made. Of all the possible patterns to find in the fossil record we see only the one: a nested hierarchy. That is rather limited (down to one) in the space of possible patterns that could have appeared. Suggest you re-read Taq's message.

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Message 695 of 1197 (906677)
02-15-2023 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 694 by sensei
02-15-2023 8:30 PM


Re: Typical?
You would expect a different pattern?
That's what I mean. You don't understand the position. It has nothing to do with expectations. It has to do with probability.
Of the hundreds of different patterns we could have seen in the fossile record why do we only see the one throughout every relationship?
Would you expect a god to follow one pattern throughout all of creation? Why would he use the one and only pattern that shows this hierarchy?
The proposed answer is that the pattern is evidence of evolution rather than fiat creation.
That was the question?

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Message 699 of 1197 (906687)
02-16-2023 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 698 by sensei
02-16-2023 5:17 AM


What God?
You use “evolutionist”. Ahh, another religious weenie out to do battle with the scourge of evolution.
There are literally thousands of science papers explaining common descent, how it works and the meaning. UCD and common descent are strongly evident in both the fossil record and genetics. It is a reality your religious cults must endure.
You really think you can defeat evolution with NOTHING? That is what you have to fight with. That is your weapon. Nothing at all. You cannot show any evidence that any of your religious fantasy, whatever it is, is real. You have no alternative processes to cite. No gods you can show us to call upon to inspire your fight. You have nothing.
Before you continue spouting inanities, show us your god. If your god exists and controls this world then show him to us. Show us the evidence that he is real. Once you prove your god then we can discuss how evolution destroys him.

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Message 700 of 1197 (906691)
02-16-2023 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 698 by sensei
02-16-2023 5:17 AM


Re: Typical?
If we would generate millions of totally random DNA sequencies, the sequences can always be arranged in a nested hierarchy.
Wow. You really have problems with the concept.
What do you think a nested hierarchy is? How is it recognized? Do you know what you're talking about?

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Message 718 of 1197 (906726)
02-16-2023 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 703 by sensei
02-16-2023 11:37 AM


Re: What God?
All you do is ranting the same evolutionist nonsense, instead of actually responding to any of my points.
sensei, the points you are trying to make are decades old creationist meanderings refuted a thousand times over. You bring nothing new, nothing we haven't seen and dismissed a hundred times.
You are still trying to preserve your god by killing evolution. First step is to show your god. Absent that you have nothing to offer here.
We are not going to prove you wrong because you haven't said anything intelligent.
If you want to fight against a concept like the nested hierarchy then you should know what it is first. You don't.
Again, if you want to kill evolution then show us your god. Having some trouble presenting any of that, I see.
Where is your god, sensei? Show us. Then we can talk about nested hierarchies.

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Message 719 of 1197 (906730)
02-16-2023 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 717 by Taq
02-16-2023 12:20 PM


Re: Typical?
Human designs regularly violate a nested hierarchy.
I don't think he will understand this. I don't think he knows what a nested hierarchy is. He doesn't seem to understand its relationship to ancestor.

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Message 724 of 1197 (906750)
02-16-2023 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 722 by Dredge
02-16-2023 1:47 PM


Re: No need to be so self-centered
You come from nothing and go back to nothing - so it means nothing.
You are right. From void to void we travel. Not too many years from now you will be forgotten. A few years from then the planet will be forgotten and a few years from then the entire galaxy. All gone. Useless waste of matter and energy. Flashes of intellect spark periodically across the cosmos but nothing remains of any of them.
Well, I guess I'll have to give purpose to my own life, on my own terms. I know I'll suffer greatly but I think I can live with that.

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Message 725 of 1197 (906752)
02-16-2023 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 723 by Dredge
02-16-2023 1:59 PM


Re: Typical?
Furthermore, there are no evolutionary fossil links between the many different phyla that appeared during the Cambrian.
I keep warning you over and over again, Altar Boy, you need to research your facts before you keep sticking your foot up your ... mouth.
The cambrian explosion wasn't. It was just our knowledge catching up to reality.

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Message 735 of 1197 (906774)
02-16-2023 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 729 by sensei
02-16-2023 2:30 PM


Re: What God?
In other words you cannot bring evidence of your god.
As such you have no basis for your belief other than someone else's fantasy.
Your attacks on evolution will fail because you have no alternative. You have no god.

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Message 750 of 1197 (906829)
02-16-2023 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 746 by sensei
02-16-2023 5:34 PM


Re: What God?
Godless moron.

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