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Dredge
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Message 721 of 1197 (906741)
02-16-2023 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 690 by Stile
02-13-2023 1:44 PM


Re: No need to be so self-centered
Stale writes:
self-preservation
Self-preservation doesn't make life meaningful ... even bacteria practise self-preservation.
What makes your life any more meaningful than the life of a bacterium or a virus or a flea?

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Dredge
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Message 722 of 1197 (906745)
02-16-2023 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 689 by Theodoric
02-13-2023 1:34 PM


Re: No need to be so self-centered
If this life is all there is, it doesn't matter if you do good things or bad things ... everyone ends up in the same place, six-foot under in a wooden box.
Life is just meaningless few years of consciousness and irrelevant actions and experiences.
You come from nothing and go back to nothing - so it means nothing.

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Dredge
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Message 723 of 1197 (906749)
02-16-2023 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 693 by AZPaul3
02-15-2023 8:16 PM


Re: Typical?
APauling writes:
Of all the possible patterns to find in the fossil record we see only the one: a nested hierarchy.
Another Darwinoid lie. Nested hierarchies are evident only after the Cambrian explosion.
Furthermore, there are no evolutionary fossil links between the many different phyla that appeared during the Cambrian. The phyla appear separately in the fossil record and are linked to form a nested hierarchy.

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AZPaul3
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Message 724 of 1197 (906750)
02-16-2023 2:02 PM
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02-16-2023 1:47 PM


Re: No need to be so self-centered
You come from nothing and go back to nothing - so it means nothing.
You are right. From void to void we travel. Not too many years from now you will be forgotten. A few years from then the planet will be forgotten and a few years from then the entire galaxy. All gone. Useless waste of matter and energy. Flashes of intellect spark periodically across the cosmos but nothing remains of any of them.
Well, I guess I'll have to give purpose to my own life, on my own terms. I know I'll suffer greatly but I think I can live with that.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 725 of 1197 (906752)
02-16-2023 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 723 by Dredge
02-16-2023 1:59 PM


Re: Typical?
Furthermore, there are no evolutionary fossil links between the many different phyla that appeared during the Cambrian.
I keep warning you over and over again, Altar Boy, you need to research your facts before you keep sticking your foot up your ... mouth.
The cambrian explosion wasn't. It was just our knowledge catching up to reality.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Stile
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Message 726 of 1197 (906753)
02-16-2023 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 721 by Dredge
02-16-2023 1:40 PM


Re: No need to be so self-centered
Dredge writes:
Self-preservation doesn't make life meaningful...
You didn't ask for a reason to make life meaningful.
You asked why would someone do good things if they wanted to do bad things.
Self-preservation is the answer to that question.
A reason to make life meaningful is also easy, just different: Get Better.
What makes your life any more meaningful than the life of a bacterium or a virus or a flea?
More meaningful?
I don't know how to measure meaning between two different people... let alone different species. What scale do you suggest? Do you have a meaning-measuring tape? A meaning-laser? A set of descriptions we can agree on?
Perhaps my life is not more meaningful then that of a flea.
Perhaps it is.
Either way - what does it matter?
As far as meaning goes - I'm really only concerned with my own. It seems rather arrogant and controlling to worry about someone (or even something) else's meaning.
I can, however, measure meaning within myself. I can feel how meaningful it is.
Following someone else's meaning for me is, well, half-hearted at best. As it's not what I would like to do. But if I do what I like to do... helping others and learning to grow and get better, following love... then I'm full of meaning. More meaning then I've ever heard of described by any other person or book or movie.

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Dredge
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Message 727 of 1197 (906755)
02-16-2023 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 693 by AZPaul3
02-15-2023 8:16 PM


Re: Typical?
APauling writes:
Of all the possible patterns to find in the fossil record we see only the one: a nested hierarchy.
Another Darwinoid lie. Nested hierarchies are evident only after the Cambrian explosion.
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Furthermore, there are no evolutionary fossil links between the many different phyla that appeared during the Cambrian. The phyla appear separately in the fossil record and are not linked to form a nested hierarchy.

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Dredge
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Message 728 of 1197 (906756)
02-16-2023 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 725 by AZPaul3
02-16-2023 2:09 PM


Re: Typical?
You Darwinoids are so pathetically dishonest. The Cambrian explosion throws a big spanner in your works so you invent all sorts of mendacious bullshit in order to sweep it under the carpet and deny its reality.

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sensei
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Message 729 of 1197 (906758)
02-16-2023 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 718 by AZPaul3
02-16-2023 12:49 PM


Re: What God?
You sound like a broken record. You demonstrated that you lack the necessary skills for logical thinking, by changing subject and trying to sound smart.

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Message 730 of 1197 (906759)
02-16-2023 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 714 by Taq
02-16-2023 12:18 PM


Re: Typical?
Not really. Everytime we see something that does not fit the hierarchy, evolutionists just change and adjust their narrative and stories. We have mammals that fly, mammals that swim in deep oceans, mammals with beaks. Variety is huge. And you think it fits evolution, because you have been brain washed into the narrow tunnel vision. The countless variety in species is evidence for design, if anything.

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Taq
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Message 731 of 1197 (906763)
02-16-2023 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 730 by sensei
02-16-2023 2:38 PM


Re: Typical?
sensei writes:
Everytime we see something that does not fit the hierarchy, evolutionists just change and adjust their narrative and stories. We have mammals that fly, mammals that swim in deep oceans, mammals with beaks.
Flying and swimming are not DNA sequences or physical characteristics. If you think there are beaks that violate the nested hierarchy then let's see them.
And you think it fits evolution, because you have been brain washed into the narrow tunnel vision.
Projection at its finest.
The countless variety in species is evidence for design, if anything.
They are evidence for evolution because they fall into a nested hierarchy. Ignoring this evidence does not make it go away.

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Taq
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Message 732 of 1197 (906766)
02-16-2023 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 728 by Dredge
02-16-2023 2:24 PM


Re: Typical?
Dredge writes:
The Cambrian explosion throws a big spanner in your works so you invent all sorts of mendacious bullshit in order to sweep it under the carpet and deny its reality.
The Cambrian explosion is one of the best pieces of evidence for evolution that there is. It demonstrates that the earliest branches of the tree of life for animals is found in the earliest sediments, exactly where they should be. We don't find whales, monkeys, or rhinos in Cambrian deposits. Instead, we find the most basic vertebrate possible, just as we would expect from evolution.

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Taq
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Message 733 of 1197 (906767)
02-16-2023 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 723 by Dredge
02-16-2023 1:59 PM


Re: Typical?
Dredge writes:
Furthermore, there are no evolutionary fossil links between the many different phyla that appeared during the Cambrian.
Prove it. Show us that there isn't a fossil anywhere in the ground that is transitional.

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sensei
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Message 734 of 1197 (906773)
02-16-2023 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 731 by Taq
02-16-2023 3:08 PM


Re: Typical?
Nested hierarchy proves nothing. If it does, then go ahead and use it to prove universal common ancestry. You can't, because it does not prove a thing. All evolutionists can do is make up stories and be impressed by their precious tree of life.

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AZPaul3
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Message 735 of 1197 (906774)
02-16-2023 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 729 by sensei
02-16-2023 2:30 PM


Re: What God?
In other words you cannot bring evidence of your god.
As such you have no basis for your belief other than someone else's fantasy.
Your attacks on evolution will fail because you have no alternative. You have no god.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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