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Topic: The Power of the New Intelligent Design...
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 811 of 1197 (906971)
02-16-2023 11:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 809 by Taq
02-16-2023 10:39 PM
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Re: Typical?
There are single cell yeast species that reproduce both asexually (i.e. cell division) and sexually. My favorite sexual/asexual organisms are Hydras. They're multicellular but form buds that become new individual but they also produce gametes.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 4.7
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Re: Typical?
So they don't have any problems with gays, trans and the morass of politics that comes with it. Smart bugs. Tucker would label them dangerous lefty libs.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 813 of 1197 (907001)
02-17-2023 4:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 812 by AZPaul3
02-17-2023 4:44 PM
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Re: Typical?
Yeah, Tucker's another one of those turds that won't flush. He spends his time worrying about the sexuality of M&Ms.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 4.7
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Re: Typical?
He spends his time worrying about the sexuality of M&Ms. Bad jokes. Bad bad jokes. Funny as hell but not safe for EvC. What the hell. These things are important, Tany. If I'm going to eat these ... I'll let everyone go from there. 
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 815 of 1197 (907005)
02-17-2023 5:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 814 by AZPaul3
02-17-2023 5:19 PM
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Re: Typical?
These things are important, Tany. If I'm going to eat these ... I am addicted to the flavor and smooth texture of chocolate, but I don't get enough of those sensations from M&Ms. I only eat chocolate once or twice a year. The best I ever had was hot pepper chocolate bars that we got in Ecuador.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 816 of 1197 (907013)
02-18-2023 11:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 737 by Taq
02-16-2023 3:38 PM
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Re: Typical?
Taq writes: It proves common ancestry and evolution
You seem to be to be at odds with science itself ... I've been told repeatedly that science doesn't prove anything.
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sensei
Member Posts: 480 Joined: 01-24-2023
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Message 817 of 1197 (907014)
02-18-2023 11:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 809 by Taq
02-16-2023 10:39 PM
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Re: Typical?
It's common today that normal cells produce eggs or sperm that have half of genetics in each cell. And you go on about trillionth of DNA in a cell??? Keep making up straw men! But let me ask you this: do you believe that different species have evolved meiosis seperately? Or do you think all species that have meiosis, are descendents of one common ancestor that developed meiosis?
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 818 of 1197 (907022)
02-18-2023 12:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 817 by sensei
02-18-2023 11:37 AM
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Re: Typical?
It's common today that normal cells produce eggs or sperm that have half of genetics in each cell. "common", "normal cells", ... No. Only a few thousand specially developed germline cells in your gonads do that. That is meiosis. The rest of the billions of common normal cells that are you are somatic cells and reproduce only by mitosis. Mitosis is when the cell duplicates its genetic material and separates into two daughter cells of equal genetic makeup.
Do you believe ... The evolution of sex is what you are asking about. I don't have exact details at my finger-tips and would have to do some searching the net to find appropriate sources. Or, You could do your own research. Try "evolution of sex" on google scholar.
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sensei
Member Posts: 480 Joined: 01-24-2023
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Message 819 of 1197 (907049)
02-18-2023 3:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 818 by AZPaul3
02-18-2023 12:39 PM
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Re: Typical?
If you think germ cells are not normal, then that is your problem. Normal is referring to them being diploid, having full DNA. Nothing else.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 820 of 1197 (907054)
02-18-2023 3:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 819 by sensei
02-18-2023 3:08 PM
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Re: Typical?
You are the one that first used "normal". Define it.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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sensei
Member Posts: 480 Joined: 01-24-2023
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Message 821 of 1197 (907055)
02-18-2023 3:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 820 by Theodoric
02-18-2023 3:15 PM
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Re: Typical?
What part of "being diploid, having full DNA" do you not understand?
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 822 of 1197 (907061)
02-18-2023 3:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 819 by sensei
02-18-2023 3:08 PM
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Re: Typical?
Normal is referring to them being diploid, having full DNA. Then you are wrong.
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It's common today that normal cells produce eggs or sperm that have half of genetics in each cell.
Normal cells (meaning the vast majority of the cells in your body) don't do that. Only very special cells do that. Regardless of your semanics, there is a major difference between somatic and germline cells. Do you acknowledge that? Edited by AZPaul3, .
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 823 of 1197 (907062)
02-18-2023 4:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 819 by sensei
02-18-2023 3:08 PM
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Re: Typical?
If you think germ cells are not normal, then that is your problem. They are not anywhere close to normal. They are exceptionally special types of cells.
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sensei
Member Posts: 480 Joined: 01-24-2023
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Message 824 of 1197 (907073)
02-18-2023 5:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 822 by AZPaul3
02-18-2023 3:47 PM
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Re: Typical?
Yes, I said it incorrectly. I meant the germline cells, that produce the germ cells. The germline cells have the normal amount of two complete sets of chromosomes.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 825 of 1197 (907077)
02-18-2023 5:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 824 by sensei
02-18-2023 5:03 PM
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Re: Typical?
Fine. You are questioning why meiosis happens? How it evolved? But you don't believe in chemistry happening due to physically natural causes. You want to introduce magic, yes? ---add Btw, in meiosis the gemline cell ends up not in two but in 4 gametes. Just fyi. Edited by AZPaul3, : add
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