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Message 241 of 507 (905557)
01-30-2023 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Phat
01-30-2023 12:32 PM


Re: Lost & Found
Phat writes:
So in essence what you appear to be suggesting is that the reason that Mr.I D can attack evolutionary theory is because he essentially made his own straw man to knock down.
I don't think he even has an actual straw man. He just has a belief that there IS an evolution strawman. He can't even articulate what it is, let alone knock it down. He has been told by creationist liars that there IS an evolution strawman that THEY can knock down but he knows nothing beyond that.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 242 of 507 (905558)
01-30-2023 1:10 PM
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01-30-2023 12:32 PM


Re: Lost & Found
MrID writes:
So in essence what you appear to be suggesting is that the reason that Mr.I D can attack evolutionary theory is because he essentially made his own straw man to knock down.
MrID doesn't even understand how biology works, so he has invented an entire fantasyland that he calls Evolution (and biology). These threads have demonstrated that he doesn't even understand what a mutation or an allele are, much less the connection between genotype and phenotype. He's like a crazy person telling everyone that 5G causes cancer without even knowing what radio waves are.

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Message 243 of 507 (905559)
01-30-2023 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by MrIntelligentDesign
01-30-2023 4:03 AM


Re: Lost & Found
Let us discuss one topic if you are really talking REALITY.

Change...what is change in reality?
What bullshit are you trying to pull this time?
Come up with something that is not change and has nothing to do with change, but which you will nonetheless call "change"? Just as you have come up with something that has nothing to do with evolution, but you call it "Evolution". For what purpose? For the standard creationist purpose of generating confusion.
That is the same as if you renamed cobras "kittens" and then repeatedly insisted how deadly kittens are and how many people die annually from "kitten venom" and how we must kill kittens as soon as we find them to keep them from infesting our communities and killing us all. By using the word "kitten" you trick others into thinking that you're talking about actual kittens, whereas you are instead talking about something totally different.
How did we spot your deception? Because it's nothing new. It's a typical creationist deception.
 
So, change is when something does not remain the same (AKA "unchanged"). It's obvious. We see it all the time, we have studied it, we can determine and work with rates of change, etc.
Now you're going to develop your deception by redefining it into something totally different from change. And, I have no doubt, you will invoke your tree spirits, pixies, kami, etc., as "required intelligent agents" that you will claim must exist and must be involved for change to happen. For your edification (yeah, I am yet again casting pearls before you, a swine), here's a Mexican saying:
quote:
"It's been a long time since we've worn feathers."
(Mexican President José López Portillo in a 60 Minutes interview circa 1980)
IOW, you are going to put on your feathers and just engage in more of your stupid bullshit nonsense.
 
Seriously, if you want to argue against evolution, then argue against evolution itself AND NOT SOME STUPID STRAWMAN LIE YOU HAVE MADE UP!
Of course, that would require you to learn what evolution actually is, something that your creationist self-delusion will never allow you to do. Which tragically leaves you incapable of anything except spewing the same old stupid lies.

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Message 244 of 507 (905560)
01-30-2023 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by Taq
01-30-2023 1:10 PM


Re: Lost & Found
He's like a crazy person telling everyone that 5G causes cancer without even knowing what radio waves are.
Reminds me of what Stan Lee said in an interview. I think I saw that in a PBS miniseries on the history of superhero comic books, Superheroes: A Never-Ending Battle, which is still available on Amazon Prime.
Quoting him from memory from 5 years ago:
quote:
I am perhaps the most unscientific person you've ever met. I wouldn't know a gamma ray if it came up and bit me. But I thought, "Hmm, gamma ray, that sounds good." So I used it.
Looks like MrID missed his calling. He should be writing comic books.
To which someone will reply: "What makes you think he isn't writing comic books?"

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Message 245 of 507 (905563)
01-30-2023 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by dwise1
01-30-2023 1:31 PM


Re: Lost & Found
dwise1 writes:
Reminds me of what Stan Lee said in an interview.
When it comes to biology in sci-fi it is just different levels of Stan Lee. Most of the biology in sci-fi is about as accurate as physics in Star Wars. Somehow I manage to shut my brain off and mostly suspend my disbelief. Speaking of the Hulk, rapid and large changes in biomass are one of the hardest sci-fi tropes for me to look past. Seeing an alien go from a 5 pound juvenile to a 500 pound predator is preposterous. There's a 10% conversion of energy from each trophic level, and only a small percentage of that energy conversion can be used to produce biomass. So for a 500 pound increase you are looking at somewhere around 10,000 to 50,000 pounds of ingested food at best. (in retrospect, a ratio of 5-10 might be more accurate)

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Message 246 of 507 (905579)
01-30-2023 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Phat
01-30-2023 12:32 PM


Re: Lost & Found
So in essence what you appear to be suggesting is that the reason that Mr.I D can attack evolutionary theory is ...
... because he is fucking stupid and doesn't know any better.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 247 of 507 (907021)
02-18-2023 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by AZPaul3
01-30-2023 9:22 PM


Re: Lost & Found
And your constant name calling and cursing is evidence for more intelligence?

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Message 248 of 507 (907024)
02-18-2023 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by sensei
02-18-2023 12:24 PM


Re: Lost & Found
sensei writes:
And your constant name calling and cursing is evidence for more intelligence?
What constant name calling are you referring to?
And cursing is a perfectly acceptable way of emphasizing just how fucking stupid an argument is.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 249 of 507 (907026)
02-18-2023 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by sensei
02-18-2023 12:24 PM


Re: Lost & Found
No, just a pissed-off poster tired of posers with no credentials, persistent misconceptions of the most basic concepts even after correction, insisting their fantasies should rule the world. That the science is wrong, stupid and scientists cannot know what we actually happen to know very well. Like big bang and evolution.
That is all it is evidence of. Nothing earth shattering as evidence of a god might cause.
MrID's and your objections to evolution are way old. We have debunked these arguments decades ago and we keep getting new YECs and religious newbees coming in making the same old tired useless intellectually vacant claims and arguments. You folk never seem to bring anything new.
Serious, sensei, I'm getting old and the constant repetition of the same stupid by you religious guys is too taxing on my old spirit.
Please get some training in these subjects before continuing. Real training, not some religious YEC web site's stinted version.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 250 of 507 (907047)
02-18-2023 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by AZPaul3
02-18-2023 1:07 PM


Re: Lost & Found
Repeating a narrative without any conclusive evidence is not debunking. Especially with your poor understanding of complexity of life on so many levels.

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Message 251 of 507 (907057)
02-18-2023 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by sensei
02-18-2023 3:04 PM


Re: Lost & Found
The debunking has already been done. The evidence is all around the net.
This is a narrative-intensive venue. We are not equipped to give semesters worth of training in complex fields or in how to conduct research methods.
You're on your own. All I can do is tell you when the science says you're wrong and a bit of why. I'm not going to be able to prove anything to you without your help in learning the basics first.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 252 of 507 (907070)
02-18-2023 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by AZPaul3
02-18-2023 3:31 PM


Re: Lost & Found
Give one example of something evolutionists have debunked?

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Message 253 of 507 (907074)
02-18-2023 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by sensei
02-18-2023 4:56 PM


Re: Lost & Found
What are you claiming? A lack of common descent? Intelligent codes in dna? Tired light? Global flud? ... about a dozen or so more.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 254 of 507 (907078)
02-18-2023 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by sensei
02-18-2023 4:56 PM


Re: Lost & Found
Until you define evolutionist I cannot answer.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 255 of 507 (907108)
02-19-2023 3:45 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by AZPaul3
02-18-2023 5:22 PM


Re: Lost & Found
You can scroll back and read what I have claimed and what not.

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