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sensei
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Message 256 of 507 (907109)
02-19-2023 3:49 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by Theodoric
02-18-2023 6:00 PM


Re: Lost & Found
If you need to ask for definitions of trivial notions and concepts, that is a clear indication that you are not smart enough to contribute anything useful to this debate.

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Message 257 of 507 (907132)
02-19-2023 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by sensei
02-19-2023 3:49 AM


dishonesty is not a good look
The sign of a dishonest debater.
Before we can have a debate or conversation we have to make sure we agree on the terms being used. Creationists are well known for having specialized definitions for words that no one else knows about or agrees to.
Also, there is the fallacy of equivocation which is a favorite of dishonest people.
If you think you have displayed some sort of intelligence over the rest of us you are highly delusional also.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 258 of 507 (907152)
02-19-2023 11:15 AM
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02-19-2023 9:55 AM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Then define creationist, before you start talking more of your bs.

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Message 259 of 507 (907166)
02-19-2023 12:58 PM
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02-19-2023 11:15 AM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
I am not making claims about what creationists believe. You are using evolutionist in most of your posts.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 260 of 507 (907193)
02-20-2023 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by Theodoric
02-19-2023 12:58 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Define creationist

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Message 261 of 507 (907201)
02-20-2023 8:13 AM
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02-20-2023 6:54 AM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
I asked first. We are not discussing creationists, we are discussing the term "evolutionist". I am not defending an argument. You made the claims, you need to provide definitions and support or crawl back under your rock.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 262 of 507 (907202)
02-20-2023 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by AZPaul3
02-18-2023 1:07 PM


Quothe The Raven: Nevermore!
AZPaul3,replying to sensei writes:
I'm getting old and the constant repetition of the same stupid by you religious guys is too taxing on my old spirit.
That would make a perfect signature quote! You should use it

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Message 263 of 507 (907282)
02-21-2023 1:02 PM
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02-20-2023 8:13 AM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Why should I care who asked first?
And we were not even discussing the term "evolutionist". You were. Big difference!
As you are not smart enough to infer its meaning. Or you pretend to, because you heard another evolutionist complain about the term. And you evolutionists are so good at monkey see, money do.

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Message 264 of 507 (907303)
02-21-2023 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by sensei
02-21-2023 1:02 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Ok if you are unable to define this word you keep using maybe you should stop using it.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 265 of 507 (907306)
02-21-2023 3:35 PM
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02-21-2023 1:02 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
As you are not smart enough to infer its meaning. Or you pretend to, because you heard another evolutionist complain about the term.
First off, evolutionist is a silly term. If someone accepts the theory of relativity we don't call them relativists or Einsteinists. If someone accepts the theory of germs we don't call them germists or Kochists. So why the term for people who accept one of the most well evidenced theories in biology and science in general?
We also see the term evolutionist used to describe things that aren't even evolution. For example, we often hear about the Big Bang being evolutionist, or the geologic history of the Grand Canyon being evolutionist. It gets a bit silly at some point.

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Message 266 of 507 (907307)
02-21-2023 3:40 PM
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02-21-2023 3:35 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
We also see the term evolutionist used to describe things that aren't even evolution. For example, we often hear about the Big Bang being evolutionist, or the geologic history of the Grand Canyon being evolutionist. It gets a bit silly at some point.
And don't forget the classic: evolutionist atheists or atheist evolutionists, I can never remember which is which though.

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Message 267 of 507 (907315)
02-21-2023 4:07 PM
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02-21-2023 3:35 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
First off, evolutionist is a silly term.
I would think that depends on context. Big Bang, Grand Canyon, as evolutionist is silly but also meant as an insult. Like my use of the word religionist.
Yes there are Einsteinists, relativists, germists and more all so called by religionists trying to insult the findings under discussion. Amusing.
I can accept the lexeme as the insult intended. I'm an insultist.

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Message 268 of 507 (907414)
02-23-2023 1:43 PM
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02-21-2023 3:35 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Evolutionist is the best term to describe the side of the debate supporting common ancestry.
If there is a debate about relativity, then we would choose terms related to that subject.
If anything, your argument is silly. But you evolutionists are good at parroting silly arguments from each other.

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Message 269 of 507 (907425)
02-23-2023 3:25 PM
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02-23-2023 1:43 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
Evolutionist is the best term to describe the side of the debate supporting common ancestry.
Consensus science would be the best term. Biologist would be another.

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Message 270 of 507 (907427)
02-23-2023 3:56 PM
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02-23-2023 3:25 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
We called it evolutionary biology when I did my degree about 100 years ago. Somebody that worked in the field was an evolutionary biologist.
And there were no such terms as micro and macro evolution - just evolution.
Nobody was a Darwinist. Well actually everybody was a Darwinist, just like everybody was an air breather. Didn't require a name.

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