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sensei
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Message 901 of 1197 (907483)
02-24-2023 11:32 AM
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02-24-2023 10:40 AM


Re: Typical?
You made assumptions / claims about gaps if species were created seperately.

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Message 902 of 1197 (907484)
02-24-2023 11:33 AM
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02-24-2023 10:41 AM


Re: Typical?
Saying that natural selection did it over time, is not filling any gaps.

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Message 903 of 1197 (907486)
02-24-2023 11:57 AM
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02-24-2023 11:33 AM


Re: Typical?
sensei writes:
Saying that natural selection did it over time, is not filling any gaps.
These do.
Also, we have mountains of evidence demonstrating that natural selection is responsible for shaping the genomes of species. We aren't just saying it. We can point to the evidence.
If an observable and testable natural process does not fill gaps in explanations, then what in the world are you asking for?

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Message 904 of 1197 (907487)
02-24-2023 12:00 PM
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02-24-2023 11:32 AM


Re: Typical?
sensei writes:
You made assumptions / claims about gaps if species were created seperately.
Your inability to tell us why we would expect gaps between two specific species groups but not two others is the evidence. Creationists have never been able to explain what pattern of derived features we should see in living and fossil species if species were created separately. The only explanation that predicts a specific pattern is evolution, and only with a predicted pattern can we identify gaps.

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Message 905 of 1197 (907558)
02-25-2023 6:31 PM
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02-24-2023 11:57 AM


Re: Typical?
How do a bunch of skulls fill the gaps of complex proteins?

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Message 906 of 1197 (907560)
02-25-2023 6:33 PM
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02-24-2023 12:00 PM


Re: Typical?
Whatever creationists can or cannot explain or have not explained, does not excuse you from making correct assumptions instead of bad and false ones.

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Message 907 of 1197 (907590)
02-26-2023 12:00 AM
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02-25-2023 6:33 PM


Re: Typical?
What bad and false assumptions are being made? How do you know they are bad assumptions?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 908 of 1197 (907597)
02-26-2023 7:11 AM
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02-26-2023 12:00 AM


Re: Typical?
Assumptions about how life should look like if species were created seperately. All those are speculation and have zero objective value.

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Message 909 of 1197 (907606)
02-26-2023 8:24 AM
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02-26-2023 7:11 AM


Re: Typical?
So the nested hierarchy is the only pattern we see in life. So evolution is evidenced once again.
You can provide no evidence or acceptable logic to show any alternative.
Evolution is the only real game in town.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 910 of 1197 (907608)
02-26-2023 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 908 by sensei
02-26-2023 7:11 AM


Re: Typical?
Hi sensei,
Assumptions about how life should look like if species were created seperately. All those are speculation and have zero objective value.
That sounds an awful lot like an admission that creationism and ID make no testable predictions. That would make them unfalsifiable. This is, to put it mildly, not a plus, especially if you want these ideas to be taken seriously in the scientific world, where all hypotheses must be falsifiable.
Or perhaps I have misunderstood. If so, please clarify; what predictions does your model of special creation make? How do these predictions differ from those of the mainstream model?
Mutate and Survive

On two occasions I have been asked, – "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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Message 911 of 1197 (907609)
02-26-2023 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 910 by Granny Magda
02-26-2023 8:58 AM


Hi Granny
Hi Granny. Long time no see. Did you bring us an apple pie?

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Granny Magda
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Message 912 of 1197 (907612)
02-26-2023 10:15 AM
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02-26-2023 9:42 AM


Re: Hi Granny
Hi Phat,
Nope. No apple pie for diabetics like us!
Mutate and Survive

On two occasions I have been asked, – "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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sensei
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Message 913 of 1197 (907621)
02-27-2023 4:07 AM
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02-26-2023 8:58 AM


Re: Typical?
Whether or not you think a different model if falsifiable, is no excuse for making speculative claims and call it science.

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Message 914 of 1197 (907622)
02-27-2023 4:09 AM
Reply to: Message 909 by AZPaul3
02-26-2023 8:24 AM


Re: Typical?
If that is all you see, then your knowledge is very limited.

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Message 915 of 1197 (907625)
02-27-2023 5:22 AM
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02-27-2023 4:09 AM


Re: Typical?
If that is all you see, then your knowledge is very limited.
Reality does indeed place limits on our knowledge. No religious fantasies allowed.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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