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Author Topic:   Is ID falsifiable by any kind of experiment?
sensei
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Message 316 of 507 (907672)
02-27-2023 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 311 by AZPaul3
02-27-2023 2:16 PM


Most of what you do is insult and dishonestly or stupidly misrepresent.

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Message 317 of 507 (907673)
02-27-2023 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 312 by Theodoric
02-27-2023 3:26 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Wow, another troll

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Message 318 of 507 (907674)
02-27-2023 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by Phat
02-27-2023 3:37 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Same old evolutionist arrogance.

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Message 319 of 507 (907677)
02-27-2023 5:07 PM
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02-27-2023 4:56 PM


So, still bitchin about cosmetics. Still have no evidence of anything ID.
You can't even tell us how your ID spook is supposed to have made life in all its related complexity. Evolution has a complete model of the processes involved, how they work and the predicted outcomes. Science in action revealing reality. Appears your ID presents nothing. Decades of talk, nothing shown.
Conclusion: Your ID cannot present anything. It is bogus.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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sensei
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Message 320 of 507 (907682)
02-27-2023 5:26 PM
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02-27-2023 5:07 PM


I also can't tell how brains work exactly. Does that mean that brains don't exist?
I use logic to deduct what is possible and what not. You are using flawed logic. According to you, something can only exist if you know how to explain it? News flash for you. The world is not limited to your puny mind.

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Message 321 of 507 (907688)
02-27-2023 6:03 PM
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02-27-2023 5:26 PM


According to you, something can only exist if you know how to explain it?
Not explain it but show evidence of existence.
The elephant in your bathroom is not there because you dream it. It is only there when you have actual evidence of its existence. Like when you go into the bathroom you can smell the peanut butter on its breath and its trunk is showing above the shower curtain.
You need to provide at least some small physical evidence of its influence or presence before your conjectures can be entertained as something worthy of study. You can pull anything out your ass. But if you want to be taken seriously you have to provide some evidence of viability.
I use logic to deduct what is possible and what not.
And what 'logic' leads you to ID? You have yet to produce any. And don't forget the physical viability part. Show us physical evidence written on this universe that supports any of your fantasy.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 322 of 507 (907694)
02-27-2023 6:55 PM
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02-27-2023 6:03 PM


First you ask how ID created all life complexity. And now you you changed your demand and only want evidence that what existed?
Try to make some sense and make up your mind bro. Are you okay?

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Message 323 of 507 (907700)
02-27-2023 7:28 PM
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02-27-2023 6:55 PM


What change? What demand?
... how ID created all life complexity ...
That is still a question. One among many.
The caution to you in this discussion is to not forget the physical evidence of the process you propose, if you ever make such a proposal.
Not only do you have to show how ID created life's complexity, you are required to show that process is physically possible and has actually taken place on the ground.
Just like all the physical evidence that shows evolution happens and how, you have to show the physical evidence that your ID process happens and how. I don't think you can do that. ID is bogus and there is no such process to be evidenced.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 324 of 507 (907710)
02-27-2023 8:33 PM
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02-27-2023 7:28 PM


Kee moving the goalpost back and forth.

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Message 325 of 507 (907714)
02-27-2023 8:50 PM
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02-27-2023 8:33 PM


Keep moving the goalpost back and forth.
Yes. Goalpost leviosa between requiring evidence and requiring evidence. That's quite a swing.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 326 of 507 (907716)
02-27-2023 9:00 PM
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02-27-2023 6:55 PM


First you ask how ID created all life complexity.
Intelligent design does not create complexity, but rather parsimony and elegance. There is nothing elegant about life's complexity, which is by far much better represented by Rube Goldberg machines ... except for the fact that life's complexity is immensely too great for any intelligent designer, even Rube Goldberg himself, to match.
In experiments with evolutionary processes (I feel confident enough to say "in all such experiments") the outstanding characteristic of the products of those evolutionary processes has been high levels of complexity, especially complexity in the interaction between components of those products.
When we see something highly complex in nature that's living, it's a sure bet that it had evolved. Intelligent design would not have been able to produce such levels of complexity.
If you learn nothing else:
Complexity in life indicates Evolution.
Complexity in life does not indicate Design.

We intelligent designers know this from direct work experience.

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Message 327 of 507 (907720)
02-27-2023 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 325 by AZPaul3
02-27-2023 8:50 PM


Him: explain how america built the space rocket!
Me: I don't know exactly how, but I know the rocket is there.
Him: No, only show evidence of existence.
Me: Okay... Space rocket exists.
Him: You still need to prove that space rocket was created.
Me: Okay... I just explained that I don't need to. Keep changing what you want.
You: Yes, he wants evidence.
Me: Facepalm!

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Message 328 of 507 (907721)
02-27-2023 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 326 by dwise1
02-27-2023 9:00 PM


Okay, never heard of such evolutinist dogma before. Pretty boring and unsubstantiated and useless claims. But thanks for the effort!

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AZPaul3
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Message 329 of 507 (907727)
02-27-2023 9:30 PM
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02-27-2023 9:08 PM


Me: Facepalm!
So do you have any evidence for your ID?
You haven't presented any. Saying the rocket exists is not evidence no matter how many times you repeat it. Do you understand what evidence is?
Show us your rocket. Show evidence it exists. Your word is not good enough.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 330 of 507 (907729)
02-27-2023 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by AZPaul3
02-27-2023 9:30 PM


Wow, still full of ignorance you are.

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