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Taq Member Posts: 10297 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Dredge writes: Consider an object in a sealed box. Evidence can be gathered as to what the object might be, but without opening the box, the truth of what the object actually is can never be known. For evolution, we have already opened the box. We have the genomes of living species, and they contain a direct record of their ancestry.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
You have the best scientific explanation. Big deal. That ain't necessarily the truth ... in fact, it could be miles from the truth. Grow up.
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Taq Member Posts: 10297 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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Dredge writes: You have the best scientific explanation. Big deal. That ain't necessarily the truth ... So your retort is "It could be MAGIC!!"? Pigeon chess.
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sensei Member (Idle past 200 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
Examples are countless. You being too lazy to do your own due diligence is your problem. I'm not spoon feeding you. Grow up!
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sensei Member (Idle past 200 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
How do you consider an illogical explanation to be the best?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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How do you consider an illogical explanation to be the best? Easy. Despite your errant logic the processes are very logical and well understood. Most important, the data we have (all the data that ANYONE in the world can show) matches our observations and predictions meaning our model, our theory, is correct. In popular vernacular our theories of evolution, genetics, life, are proven true. You have nothing to compete.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.8
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sensei writes: Examples are countless. You being too lazy to do your own due diligence is your problem. I'm not spoon feeding you. Grow up!
Interesting, you seem to think your opponent should come up with your supporting evidence? Dude, you made the claim that there are "all sorts of other things that show tree patterns, but these things have not evolved", but you have been shown to be completely incapable of demonstrating a single example to support YOUR CLAIM. If examples are countless you should have been able to prove it.
Message 430quote: We say, "life naturally forms nested hierarchies that demonstrate relatedness," and you say, "there are gobs of examples of nonliving things forming nested trees patterns," and we say, "interesting, can you tell us more, maybe give us some examples of of those nonlife nested tree patterns?" and you say, "Nope. Go look it up yourself." and we just ???????Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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sensei Member (Idle past 200 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
Such nonsense and bs.
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sensei Member (Idle past 200 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
Why should I bother talking to you? You made up your mind already, insisting in lies and foolish tactics.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Such nonsense and bs. Such an intellectual response. The evidence we have, evidence you cannot begin to rebuff let alone match, is beyond reasonable doubt. The body of evidence is conclusive. And it is all there for you to see and learn. Nothing hidden, nothing invisible, nothing concealed from your tiny mind. You cannot counter any of it. You have nothing in response except blind blanket denial.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.8 |
sensei in Message 444 writes: Why should I bother talking to you? You made up your mind already, insisting in lies and foolish tactics. Yep, good choice in the face of overwhelming evidence.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
You made up your mind already, insisting in lies and foolish tactics. Silly creationist. As always, you have turned everything completely around in order to maintain your own self-deception upon which you have foolishly made your faith totally dependent. At exposure to the first gleam of Truth, your faith disintegrates.
1 Thessalonians 5:21:
KJV: ESV: NLT: MSG: CSB: Keppler: Κοινη: From commentary on 1 Thessalonians 5:21 (my emphasis added):
quote: In addition, arch-creationist Dr. Duane Gish when guest on a radio talk show, The Ray Briem Show, on 30 May 1985, cited philosopher of science, Larry Laudan, claiming that he said that Judge Overton's judgement (McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education, 1982, Balanced Treatment for Creation-Science and Evolution-Science Act (Act 590)) was wrong and it would have serious repercussions on science for years to come. Upon request, Gish sent me a copy of that article (Science at the Bar -- Causes for Concern by Larry Laudan, Science, Technology and Human Values 7, no. 41 (1982):16-19). Upon reading it, I saw how Gish had misrepresented the article, which is actually a strong indictment of "creation science". What Laudan was criticizing was Overton's definition of science and of what was scientific, including the claim that creationism is untestable and unfalsifiable -- in short, since creationism makes claims about the real world it is both testable and falsifiable with regard to those claims. From that article with my emphasis added:
quote: And from a later article (More on Creationism by Larry Laudan, Science, Technology and Human Values 8, no. 42 (1983):36-38 (my emphasis added)):
quote: You made up your mind already, insisting in lies and foolish tactics. Rather, we have listened to creationist claims, have examined them, have tested them, have found them to utterly fail those tests, and hence reject them as being false, in agreement with 1 Thessalonians 5:21. In doing so, we insist on the truth and on honest evaluation and methods. In sharp contrast, you creationists never test your claims (and indeed will continue to use them long after having found them to be false and with full knowledge that they are false, simply because they sound "so convincing"). In doing so, it is you who insist on (and persist in) lies and foolish tactics (such as your mindless trolling in service of your silly troll god). What is wrong with you?
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sensei Member (Idle past 200 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
Your evidence is worthless, ignoring complexity and intelligence. You are blind and lacking brain capacity.
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sensei Member (Idle past 200 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
Overwhelming evidence? Only to the plebs and fools.
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sensei Member (Idle past 200 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
You have zero facts, just wishful thinking and poor logic.
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