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Topic: COVID vaccine works - we're saved!
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 631 of 1110 (909803)
04-11-2023 2:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 619 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 11:23 AM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Is a person that knowingly has HIV (or any other STD) that has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person that he/she has that disease doing anything wrong? What do you think?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
Is a person that knowingly has HIV (or any other STD) that has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person that he/she has that disease doing anything wrong?Tanypteryx:
What do you think?
Do you think that everyone with a contagious disease should be locked up?
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 633 of 1110 (909806)
04-11-2023 2:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 632 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 2:39 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Tanypteryx writes: Kleinman writes: Is a person that knowingly has HIV (or any other STD) that has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person that he/she has that disease doing anything wrong? What do you think? Kleinman writes: Do you think that everyone with a contagious disease should be locked up? What do you think?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
Do you think that everyone with a contagious disease should be locked up?
Tanypteryx:
What do you think?
How about someone that doesn't have a contagious disease but doesn't get the covid vaccine, should they be locked up?
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 635 of 1110 (909808)
04-11-2023 3:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 634 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 3:06 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Tanypteryx writes: Tanypteryx writes: Kleinman writes: Is a person that knowingly has HIV (or any other STD) that has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person that he/she has that disease doing anything wrong? What do you think? Kleinman writes: Do you think that everyone with a contagious disease should be locked up? What do you think? Kleinman writes: How about someone that doesn't have a contagious disease but doesn't get the covid vaccine, should they be locked up? What do you think?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 636 by Kleinman, posted 04-11-2023 3:30 PM | | Tanypteryx has replied |
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
How about someone that doesn't have a contagious disease but doesn't get the covid vaccine, should they be locked up?
Tanypteryx:
What do you think?
I think you should be locked up for the harm you have done to people with drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments because of your failure to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 637 of 1110 (909813)
04-11-2023 4:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 636 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 3:30 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes: I think you should be locked up for the harm you have done to people with drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments because of your failure to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. So, I guess we can add cause and effect to the list of principles you fail to comprehend.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
I think you should be locked up for the harm you have done to people with drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments because of your failure to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.Tanypteryx:
So, I guess we can add cause and effect to the list of principles you fail to comprehend.
Use your understanding of cause and effect to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You won't. Blame it on the people who refuse to get the covid vaccine. Do you even understand how vaccines work?
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.8
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Message 639 of 1110 (909816)
04-11-2023 4:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 630 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 2:07 PM
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kleinman writes: Did locking up Daryll Rowe stop the spread of HIV in your town? Does locking up a murderer stop murder? Why do we have laws and punishments for breaking them Kleineman?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 640 of 1110 (909817)
04-11-2023 4:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 638 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 4:11 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes: Use your understanding of cause and effect to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You won't. Use your understanding of cause and effect to explain why no one is citing any of your papers. You won't. Blame it on the people who pointed out your errors. Do you even understand how science works?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 641 of 1110 (909818)
04-11-2023 4:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 639 by Tangle
04-11-2023 4:20 PM
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Kleinman:
Did locking up Daryll Rowe stop the spread of HIV in your town?Tangle:
Does locking up a murderer stop murder?
Why do we have laws and punishments for breaking them Kleineman?
Locking up Daryll Rowe stopped the spread of HIV by him, at least outside the prison, unless he infects someone in the prison that later gets out and continues the spread of the disease. But it does not stop the spread of the disease by others with the disease. This brings us back to the question, should everyone with a contagious disease be locked up? There are over 10 million people with latent tuberculosis in the United States. Should they be locked up?
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Percy
Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 4.9
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Message 642 of 1110 (909820)
04-11-2023 4:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 623 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 12:17 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes: Do you know of anyone prosecuted for this crime? From the article you yourself cited previously, California’s HIV Transmission Laws: Updated 2020:
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From 1988 to 2014, 800 HIV confidentiality criminalization cases were prosecuted in California. Out of the 800 cases, none of them required prosecutors to prove that transmission of HIV occurred prior to the defendant being charged. Moreover, all 800 cases ended in a conviction.
If you're asking how many have been prosecuted under the updated law, I don't know, but the whole point of updating the law was to decriminalize HIV transmission as much as possible. Hopefully it's been successful. --Percy
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
Use your understanding of cause and effect to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You won't.
Tanypteryx:
Use your understanding of cause and effect to explain why no one is citing any of your papers. You won't.
Blame it on the people who pointed out your errors. Do you even understand how science works?
I blame biologists like you for the failure to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. And you prove it by your failure to give an explanation. Tell us why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony biological evolutionary drug resistance experiment. If you need help with that explanation, you can find it here. For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selectionAnd for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistanceI always like to give some help to biologists in the subjects of physics and mathematics. Your training is so weak in those subjects.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 644 of 1110 (909822)
04-11-2023 4:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 643 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 4:45 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes: I blame biologists like you for the failure to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Like I said, you always blame it on the people who pointed out your dangerous errors. It's amazing how many infections have been avoided with N95 facemasks and hand washing!
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 645 of 1110 (909823)
04-11-2023 4:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 642 by Percy
04-11-2023 4:43 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Percy:
If you're asking how many have been prosecuted under the updated law, I don't know, but the whole point of updating the law was to decriminalize HIV transmission as much as possible. Hopefully it's been successful.
About 800 prosecutions in California are about right. The total number of people with HIV in California can be found here, HIV/AIDS Cases - Datasets - California Health and Human Services Open Data Portal . It is over 100,000 cases. Should those people be locked up because they might transmit the disease? Which person with an infectious disease should not be locked up?
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