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Kleinman:

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How did Joe Biden get the idea that vaccinated people cannot spread Covid?

Percy:

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If you think that Joe Biden was informed of this by experts then you'll have to tell me which experts and what they said.

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Who knows where Joe Biden gets his information? You would think that the President would get the best advice available since his words are transmitted everywhere.

Kleinman:

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Since you are so knowledgeable about this subject, what do experts recommend that you tell patients when you start them on antibiotics?

Percy:

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As I said, an active discussion on this is beginning to develop within the medical community. My sense is that they've moving in the direction of tailoring the advice for each situation rather than using a "one size fits all" approach.

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What is the latest advice that experts are telling physicians to give their patients when placing them on antibiotics? I've given antibiotics to thousands of patients, what should I tell them?

Sorry, rereading the excerpts didn't change my interpretation of what they're saying. If you think they say something different than what they seem to be saying then you'll have to explain.--Percy

You originally said it was "your so called experts," not Joe Biden, who were "telling people that vaccination prevents a person from spreading infectious disease." I don't believe there are any true experts in this field saying this.But I can easily believe that Joe Biden would say something like this, even after being properly briefed by experts. The nuances and subtleties of epidemiology aren't easily grasped. If you truly have your patients' best interests at heart, I think you should advise them to find another physician.--Percy

Kleinman:

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Read the quote more carefully and you too won't come to this discussion so poorly prepared with a false sense of security.

Percy:

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Sorry, rereading the excerpts didn't change my interpretation of what they're saying. If you think they say something different than what they seem to be saying then you'll have to explain.

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You still don't understand why you come to this discussion poorly prepared and because of this you have a false sense of security. Perhaps, it was my use of color highlighting that confused you. Here is the quote again with different color highlighting. Does that help you understand why you are so poorly prepared and have a false sense of security and that a generalized mask mandate may actually increase the spread of Covid?

Sorry, no on both counts. Your approach to persuasion seems to be, "There! I've insulted him. That should do it." Actually explaining your interpretation might work better.--Percy

Kleinman:

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Who knows where Joe Biden gets his information? You would think that the President would get the best advice available since his words are transmitted everywhere.

Percy:

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You originally said it was "your so called experts," not Joe Biden, who were "telling people that vaccination prevents a person from spreading infectious disease." I don't believe there are any true experts in this field saying this.
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But I can easily believe that Joe Biden would say something like this, even after being properly briefed by experts. The nuances and subtleties of epidemiology aren't easily grasped.

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Are you claiming that Joe Biden takes advice from people that aren't experts?

Kleinman:

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What is the latest advice that experts are telling physicians to give their patients when placing them on antibiotics? I've given antibiotics to thousands of patients, what should I tell them?

Percy:

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If you truly have your patients best interests at heart, I think you should advise them to find another physician.

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So, you don't know what the latest advice that experts give to patients when starting them on antibiotics. Perhaps I should send them to you? Do you have any idea what the response of an infected person should be when given the correct antibiotic and the timeline of treatment?

Kleinman:

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Perhaps, it was my use of color highlighting that confused you. Here is the quote again with different color highlighting.

From Lancet:

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Interpretation The findings of this systematic review and meta-analysis support physical distancing of 1 m or more and provide quantitative estimates for models and contact tracing to inform policy. Optimum use of face masks, respirators, and eye protection in public and health-care settings should be informed by these findings and contextual factors. Robust randomised trials are needed to better inform the evidence for these interventions, but this systematic appraisal of currently best available evidence might inform interim guidance.

Kleinman:

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Does that help you understand why you are so poorly prepared and have a false sense of security and that a generalized mask mandate may actually increase the spread of Covid?

Percy:

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Sorry, no on both counts. Your approach to persuasion seems to be, "There! I've insulted him. That should do it." Actually explaining your interpretation might work better.

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Are you really so poorly prepared with a false sense of security that you don't understand why a generalized mask mandate may have actually increased the spread of Covid? Do you really think that the general population understands the optimum use of face masks? Not only are you poorly prepared with a false sense of security, but you are also naive.

If by experts you mean experts from the medical fields, I assume that Biden receives advice and information from a variety of sources, including from medical field experts.But you originally said it was "your so called experts," not Joe Biden, who were "telling people that vaccination prevents a person from spreading infectious disease." I don't believe there are any true experts in this field saying this. Your responses frequently ignore or indicate no comprehension of what people actually say. Since, as I just finished saying to you, this seems to be a growing area of interest by the medical community, I think the consensus among experts might currently be in a state of flux. I sense that they're tending toward tailoring advice to each specific situation rather than providing a "one size fits all" approach. Just post your information to the thread. I think patients should follow the advice of their doctors.--Percy

I'm losing hope you'll ever tell us. The article is not targeted at the general public. I think the intended audience understands it just fine.--Percy

Kleinman:

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Are you claiming that Joe Biden takes advice from people that aren't experts?

Percy:

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If by experts you mean experts from the medical fields, I assume that Biden receives advice and information from a variety of sources, including from medical field experts.
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But you originally said it was "your so called experts," not Joe Biden, who were "telling people that vaccination prevents a person from spreading infectious disease." I don't believe there are any true experts in this field saying this.

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Where did Joe Biden get the idea that vaccination prevents the spreading of Covid?

Kleinman:

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Do you really think that the general population understands the optimum use of face masks?

Percy:

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The article is not targeted at the general public. I think the intended audience understands it just fine.

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Who is the target audience for the generalized use of masks?

Maybe he misspoke, or he misunderstood.

Theodoric:

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Maybe he misspoke, or he misunderstood.

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That's a possible explanation. Did Joe Biden ever retract that claim?Does your wife tell her patients to finish all their antibiotics, if not, what does she advise her patients when she puts them on antibiotics?

As I already said, the nuances and subtleties of epidemiology aren't easily grasped, and I can easily believe that Joe Biden would say something like this, even after being properly briefed by experts.I think you're thinking of when Biden said this at a CNN town hall on July 21, 2021:

Joe Biden:

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BIDEN: If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the IC unit, and you’re not going to die...You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.

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That's obviously incorrect. You later ask if these remarks were ever corrected. I could find no news item about a correction, but check out Remarks by President Biden on Fighting the COVID-19 Pandemic | The White House for him stating the case correctly.--Percy

Kleinman:

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Where did Joe Biden get the idea that vaccination prevents the spreading of Covid?

Percy:

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As I already said, the nuances and subtleties of epidemiology aren't easily grasped, and I can easily believe that Joe Biden would say something like this, even after being properly briefed by experts.

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I think you're thinking of when Biden said this at a CNN town hall on July 21, 2021:

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Joe Biden:

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BIDEN: If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the IC unit, and you’re not going to die...You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.

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That's obviously incorrect. You later ask if these remarks were ever corrected. I could find no news item about a correction, but check out Remarks by President Biden on Fighting the COVID-19 Pandemic | The White House for him stating the case correctly.

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Where in that speech did Joe Biden correct his erroneous claim that vaccination prevents the spreading of Covid? And who is at risk from Covid, those that are vaccinated or those that are unvaccinated?