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Message 22 of 507 (899284)
10-11-2022 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Tanypteryx
10-11-2022 1:03 PM


Re: ID About to Fail?
But not intelligently, we had to build the lifts.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 154 of 507 (904405)
12-29-2022 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-29-2022 3:05 AM


Re: Merry Trollmas
MrI writes:
Evolution is change, so, is the change guided or not?
Not
What you will be expecting if the change is not guided?
What we see now
Do you really believe and accept that if the change is not guided, chimps will become humans?
No. Chimps will not become humans.
But before you could answer yes or no, then what will be the criteria and dividing line between guided change and unguided change that we will be using and we will agreeing, as universal criteria, and set the universal numerical limit as criteria, with experiment?
There is no guided change. If you disagree evidence it.
You see, anybody could claim anything, but science is science, and we need to follow the Scientific Method.
I completely agree, so I recommend you understand the science of evolution before you begin to criticise it. (Humans did not evolve from chimps).
That is why I love science.
You don't love science, you love yourself. You don't know what science is; you're a science stalker, completely deluded with an intent to do harm. Probably in the end, to yourself.

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Message 168 of 507 (904444)
12-30-2022 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by vimesey
12-30-2022 4:10 AM


That was ugly. But I did like one of the comments.
Review title:
"Almost incomprehensible, written by a semi-literate buffoon"
Content:
"Although the author tortures the English language, he unfortunately does not force it to reveal anything."

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 172 of 507 (904448)
12-30-2022 8:44 AM


There comes a point where continuing discussions with people who are obviously 'not quite right' is abuse

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 270 of 507 (907427)
02-23-2023 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Taq
02-23-2023 3:25 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
We called it evolutionary biology when I did my degree about 100 years ago. Somebody that worked in the field was an evolutionary biologist.
And there were no such terms as micro and macro evolution - just evolution.
Nobody was a Darwinist. Well actually everybody was a Darwinist, just like everybody was an air breather. Didn't require a name.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 302 of 507 (907626)
02-27-2023 6:21 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by sensei
02-27-2023 4:01 AM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensai writes:
If you can't come up with good arguments, you are not worth responding to.
Look sensei, these one sentence snacks are really boring to read and they make you look childish. It also brings out the worst in us; all that happens is that the thread spirals into stupid name calling.
If you have a serious point to raise about evolution please make it and you'll get a serious response. There's no point saying stuff like evolution isn't science that's just silly, factually wrong and not worthy of further comment, but if you have something material to say, just say it. But please bring along evidence and thought.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 309 of 507 (907649)
02-27-2023 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by sensei
02-27-2023 12:50 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
If you haven't noticed, the name calling happens no matter what, due to the arrogance of evolutionists thinking that they possess the truth and using the worst logic defending it.
I'm trying here ...
You've made 26 posts in this thread, the longest post you've made is three lines long. The shortest is two words. All your posts have been entirely contentless. Do yourself a favour, make your case and we'll discuss it like grown ups.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 314 of 507 (907667)
02-27-2023 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by sensei
02-27-2023 1:49 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensai writes:
Seriously, how wide is your computer screen?
Ok, so you're just yet another hopeless religionist dickhead. You'll be gone in a few months having added to the pile of hopeless religionist dickheads before you. How does being a dickhead help your cause?
Anyway, it was great to chat.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 474 of 507 (910911)
05-25-2023 3:16 PM


The problem is that - ignoring some messiness with horizontal gene transfer a few billion years ago - common ancestry is a given. It's the prevailing theory, a conclusion that falls straight out of descent with modification. It's simply a family tree. The evidence for it is enormous and available to anybody that types a simple search term, gets a book out of the library or visits a decent museum.
It's not for us prove it, it's proven. We need to hear the evidence that disproves it. Where is the rabbit in the Cambrian?

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 478 of 507 (910938)
05-27-2023 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 476 by sensei
05-26-2023 5:26 PM


sensai writes:
Problem is, people who defend this prevailing theory, lay people as well as the experts, are using dubious claims like this all the time.
Regardless of your handwaving, the ToE has the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community and has done for over 100 years.
If you believe the theory to be in error you have to show how and provide your evidence. It's all on you now.
What have you got that you think should change the science?

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 487 of 507 (911015)
06-01-2023 2:40 PM


ChatGPT may be the nail in the coffin for places like these
The theory of universal common descent proposes that all living organisms on Earth share a common ancestry, meaning that they are ultimately descended from a single common ancestor. This concept is supported by various lines of evidence from different scientific fields. Here are some key pieces of evidence for universal common descent:
Fossil Record: The fossil record provides evidence of extinct species that showcase the gradual transition and evolution of life forms over millions of years. Fossils of intermediate forms, such as the well-known examples of transitional fossils like Archaeopteryx (showing characteristics of both dinosaurs and birds) and Tiktaalik (representing a transitional form between fish and tetrapods), provide evidence of common ancestry.
Comparative Anatomy: The study of comparative anatomy reveals similarities in the anatomical structures of different species. Homologous structures, which are features that have a common origin but may serve different functions in different organisms, suggest a shared ancestry. Examples include the pentadactyl limb structure found in mammals, reptiles, and birds, and the similar bone structure in the flippers of whales and the limbs of land mammals.
Embryological Development: Comparative embryology examines the development of embryos across different species. Similarities in early developmental stages, such as the presence of gill slits in vertebrate embryos or the formation of similar structures during early development, support the idea of common ancestry.
Genetic and Molecular Evidence: Advances in genetics and molecular biology have provided strong evidence for universal common descent. DNA sequencing has revealed genetic similarities between different organisms. The genetic code, which is nearly universal across all organisms, suggests a common origin. Additionally, the presence of pseudogenes (non-functional remnants of genes) and shared genetic markers across species further support the concept of common ancestry.
Phylogenetic Analysis: Phylogenetic analysis involves constructing evolutionary trees based on shared characteristics or genetic sequences. These trees depict the relationships between different species and their common ancestors. By analyzing the similarities and differences in traits or genetic sequences, scientists can infer evolutionary relationships and trace back to a common ancestor.
It's important to note that these pieces of evidence, along with many others, have been extensively studied and corroborated by multiple lines of scientific research. Universal common descent remains the prevailing scientific explanation for the diversity of life on Earth, supported by a vast body of evidence from various scientific disciplines.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 499 of 507 (911061)
06-07-2023 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 497 by sensei
06-07-2023 4:06 AM


sensa writes:
That's the problem with theory of common descent. It's basically a reasonable narrative, full of hypotheses of how things came to be.
And also full to overflowing with supporting evidence, from many diverse fields - the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, molecular biology and phylogeny. All of these methods point to the same conclusions. They didn't have to; the answers could have been quite different, but they did.
It may somewhat explain just the changes in adult form by random mutation, but it poorly explains the exact timing of cells, to initiate complete transformation in perfect unison, orgistrated in all the details of every transformed body part.
But your objection is formed from a religious belief, not scientific evidence. Not even a full history of every species' evolution over 3 billion years would change your mind.
Your personal incredulity doesn't change the actual facts.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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