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Theodoric
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Message 376 of 473 (911368)
06-30-2023 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 375 by Theodoric
06-30-2023 9:46 AM


Re: Senator Tammy Baldwin
We also talked a little about Senator John Fetterman. After she talked a bit about him to the audience, I stated that he was my second favorite Senator. It got a good laugh.
We also talked about her continued support for the people of Puerto Rico, that have no real representation in Washington D.C., and continued support for Community Health Clinics, and public health initiatives.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 377 of 473 (911369)
06-30-2023 10:41 AM
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06-30-2023 9:46 AM


Re: Senator Tammy Baldwin
The battle will still be tough, but the GOP has no real substance.
This is a presidential election. Substance does not matter. Only perception matters. That's how Trump defeated Clinton and Biden defeated Trump. Neither campaign dealt with any of the realities facing the world but only with political image and the results of the latest polls.
Trump did it once without substance. Just saying.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 378 of 473 (911370)
06-30-2023 10:51 AM
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06-30-2023 9:46 AM


Re: Senator Tammy Baldwin
While not impossible, Biden's a little too thin for obstructive sleep apnea to be likely, so there's a good chance it's central.
--Percy

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Message 379 of 473 (911371)
06-30-2023 11:05 AM
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06-30-2023 10:41 AM


Re: Senator Tammy Baldwin
AZPaul3 writes:
Only perception matters. That's how Trump defeated Clinton...
If Comey hadn't announced a reopening of the Clinton email investigation just a week ahead of the election the perceptions on that issue would have been significantly less concerning on election day. Many feel that was key to flipping the election to Trump, and I don't understand why Comey doesn't get more of the blame for throwing the country into what's going to end up being more than a decade of political chaos. It's not just the Trump insanity - Trump also cleared a pathway to increased political influence for all the conservative nuts in Congress, and he created a more political Supreme Court with much diminished regard for precedent.
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 380 of 473 (911374)
06-30-2023 3:18 PM
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06-30-2023 10:51 AM


Re: Senator Tammy Baldwin
He has a long history of sinus and nasal issues, so this is not at all surprising

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 381 of 473 (911410)
07-03-2023 2:54 PM
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06-30-2023 11:05 AM


Conservatives, anyone?
Just out of curiousity, whats the difference between a good conservative candidate and a conservative nut? Where do you rate Ted Cruz? Rand Paul? The conservative Kennedy?

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Message 382 of 473 (911415)
07-03-2023 7:28 PM
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07-03-2023 2:54 PM


Re: Senator Tammy Baldwin
From my perspective:
Rand Paul = purely, peculiarly American nutjob
Kennedy = nutjob on the verge of fully delusional state
Cruz = cynical Ivy league elitist masquerading as a nutjob for political gain
Why would you call any of these characters a conservative? Is there some common core?

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AZPaul3
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Message 383 of 473 (911429)
07-04-2023 1:51 PM


Run, Forest, Run
Another interesting question is on the democratic party side.
Ol’ Joe says he’s going to run. Can/should anyone challenge him? Who?
If he survives, the present tea leaves say Biden will be re-nominated. Is Kamala the right VP choice this time?
If Biden dies before the nomination is set, Kamala, the heir apparent, appears to be the only thing the dems have going and my tea leaves say that is a loss.
I do not see any inspirational personality in the party that can command its heart and bring the American public to a national democratic win. I certainly don’t see the kind of Kennedy or Reagan personality among the democrats that will cause a major shift in the political landscape.
Anyone nationally politically viable to step up?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 384 of 473 (911431)
07-04-2023 2:04 PM
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07-04-2023 1:51 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
Looking at the internet I found your exact question in an opinion piece.
Is Kamala Harris really the heir apparent of the Democratic Party?
and noted that in the opinion of the author,
Noah Millman:
Joe Biden has called himself a bridge to a new generation of Democratic leaders — suggesting that he's offering a safe path across, and also that he knows he's not the destination. But a bridge needs an anchor at both ends. Harris still needs to demonstrate that she can be that anchor — that she has a clear and distinct vision for a country that sometimes feels on the verge of cracking up. She may demonstrate that over the next four years — but if she doesn't, she needs to be challenged.
Any challengers that anyone can see? I dont know a lot of charismatic Democrats whom I agree with. (Hopefully they wouldnt pick Alexandra Ocasio Cortez!) But who else do they have?? In order to win, the candidate has to be closer to the center politically.

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Message 385 of 473 (911433)
07-04-2023 2:12 PM
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07-04-2023 1:51 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
AZPaul3 asks:
Anyone nationally politically viable to step up?
After the Biden Administration ends Jan. 20th, 2029 it may be too late for Liz Warren - born June 22, 1949 - she would be 79. Gretchen Whitmer born August 23, 1971, would also be a good start at 57, I guess, given how she's handled all kinds of Right-Wing BOOOLSHEET in Michigan. Many are pushing Gavin Newsom, but he is a man. I getting sick and tired of men.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

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Phat
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Message 386 of 473 (911434)
07-04-2023 2:16 PM
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07-03-2023 7:28 PM


Re: Senator Tammy Baldwin
Omni writes:
Why would you call any of these characters a conservative? Is there some common core?
What do you mean? They all have an R next to their name.
Hopefully they dont all represent the Trumpeting Elephant but, rather, the political circus elephant that calmly munches grass while waiting for a feisty liberal to challenge!

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Phat
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Message 387 of 473 (911435)
07-04-2023 2:19 PM
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07-04-2023 2:12 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
xongsmith writes:
Many are pushing Gavin Newsom, but he is a man. I getting sick and tired of men.
Typical liberal. Throw a new diverse candidate in the ring and push aside all the males who are NOT gay, trans, or men of color. Never mind the credentials apart from repping diversity!!
But then again, I don't really know if Newsom has any credentials either. I need to research the guy.

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Message 388 of 473 (911436)
07-04-2023 2:23 PM
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07-04-2023 2:04 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
the Phat writes, in part:
Hopefully they wouldnt pick Alexandra Ocasio Cortez!
What an asshole Phat is, insulting the best young candidate of the future.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 389 of 473 (911437)
07-04-2023 2:28 PM
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07-04-2023 2:23 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
She is too far to the left.
Add By Edit: I did read about her. She is quite a dynamic individual, though she is as far left as Sanders, which I think means that she wouldn't win a national election.
Im sure that all of you adore her, especially Theo. I dont hate her...but I fear such a strong liberal woman. Am I wrong?

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Message 390 of 473 (911438)
07-04-2023 2:31 PM
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07-04-2023 1:51 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
AZPaul3 in Message 383 writes:
Is Kamala the right VP choice this time?
Yes, I think she is.
If Biden dies before the nomination is set, Kamala, the heir apparent, appears to be the only thing the dems have going and my tea leaves say that is a loss.
You are probably right about that.
It is my my impression that Kamala has been doing a lot behind the scenes. But she does not get much press coverage for that.

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