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Theodoric
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Message 856 of 895 (909707)
04-09-2023 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 855 by Phat
04-09-2023 8:27 AM


Just heard
They canceled Easter. They found the body.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 857 of 895 (909708)
04-09-2023 9:10 AM
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04-09-2023 9:03 AM


Re: Just heard
Don't you get it? Jesus is a Nobody. Its all Spirit. The problem these days is that people listen to the wrong one. The world has a plethora of "spirits" vibes, and human feelings. If it feels good, follow it! Better yet, Lead it!! And to you, the foundation is all based on math and data. AI will soon best us at that! The only way that humans will identify themselves apart from AI is through the emotional side of the brain. We agree on one thing. One must sift through the bullshit and the con.

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AZPaul3
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Message 858 of 895 (909709)
04-09-2023 9:15 AM


Rub It In.
Killing two lambs with one skewer.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

  
Theodoric
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Message 859 of 895 (909710)
04-09-2023 9:29 AM


I will just leave this right here.
Phat writes:
One must sift through the bullshit and the con.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


  
AZPaul3
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Message 860 of 895 (911853)
07-27-2023 2:55 PM


Just a quick reminder to read your bible.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 861 of 895 (911859)
07-28-2023 6:50 AM
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07-27-2023 2:55 PM


Premature Conclusions
Just because you have never found evidence nor reason for inspiration does not mean that you should remain angry over a belief that you have only come to judge based on what others tell you.
I fear you will always hate theism based on what you have concluded from the minds of others.

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Message 862 of 895 (911860)
07-28-2023 6:57 AM
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07-28-2023 6:50 AM


Re: Premature Conclusions
Some of us think for ourselves Phat.
You've heard me - and others - tell you many, many times that we've had the same beliefs as you, then worked out that it was a load of old toffee - AGAINST what others were telling us. This is playground stuff Phat.
When you make shit up, can you please restrict it to your own beliefs. You just continue to make yourself look daft.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Theodoric
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Message 863 of 895 (911862)
07-28-2023 7:51 AM
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07-28-2023 6:50 AM


Re: Premature Conclusions
The only one angry seems to be you. Why are you so angry that we think your beliefs are a load of shit?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 864 of 895 (911863)
07-28-2023 7:53 AM
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07-28-2023 6:50 AM


Re: Premature Conclusions
Phat writes:
Just because you have never found evidence nor reason for inspiration does not mean that you should remain angry...
I didn't sense any anger. Did AZPaul3 say he was angry somewhere?
...over a belief that you have only come to judge based on what others tell you.
If anyone here is guilty of forming beliefs from what others say instead of from the facts on the ground, it's you.
Like most people here, the beliefs I hold now formed slowly over time. Actually, it wasn't so much the forming of beliefs as it was the falling away of beliefs I came to realize were not true.
When I was maybe 10, for some reason a book about the French Revolution sat face up on the floor in our hallway for a few months. I had read some it and understood that what we knew of the French Revolution came from people who had been there and observed events, and from artifacts and documents. Then on Sunday while reading the Bible I wondered how we knew about the events of the first couple chapters of Genesis. Who were the observers and what were the artifacts and documents? One day I realized there were no answers to these questions.
Those who understand they're accepting a religion on faith are thinking clearly.
Those who believe their religious beliefs have been proven are fooling themselves.
Those who believe that for which there is evidence tend to have more time on weekends.
--Percy

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AZPaul3
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Message 865 of 895 (911864)
07-28-2023 7:59 AM
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07-28-2023 6:50 AM


Re: Premature Conclusions
I fear you will always hate theism based on what you have concluded from the minds of others.
Phat, theism IS from the minds of others. That is the only place it resides. We can only conclude what history has taught us.
Religion causes you to believe falsehoods and to act on those falsehoods to the pain of humanity. Theism must be excised from the collective mind of our species because it always, ALWAYS, leads to war.
Theism is a poison. There is nothing there not to hate.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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nwr
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Message 866 of 895 (911865)
07-28-2023 9:19 AM
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07-28-2023 6:50 AM


Re: Premature Conclusions
Phat in Message 861 writes:
Just because you have never found evidence nor reason for inspiration does not mean that you should remain angry over a belief that you have only come to judge based on what others tell you.
There's no anger here.
I upvoted Message 860 because the meme seemed to ring true. I began to question Christianity after I started reading the Bible for myself. If I had been content to go with what others told me, I might never have had those doubts.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Phat
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Message 867 of 895 (911868)
07-29-2023 1:47 PM
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07-28-2023 9:19 AM


Re: Premature Conclusions
nwr writes:
There's no anger here.
There is with AZPaul3. What else would you call it? It is straight up anti-theism. Its not enough that he doesnt believe. He insists that future generations be compelled and persuaded NOT to believe. To me, that looks like anger.
It certainly makes me angry to a degree, because I happen to believe that its a crime to not at least give future generations an opportunity to decide for themselves with no pompous critical thinker encouraging them to doubt and feeding them a bunch of propaganda from mythicists and other skeptics all the while avoiding having them persuaded by an apologist from the other side.
You(your side) says that religion is a myth. (as if that were a fact)
You (your side)says that all wars are caused by it. (Lets start with Ukraine. How has religion fueled that war?)
Many anti-theists mock God and mock the very idea that such a Being could even exist.
To be fair in this argument, I will admit that the theists themselves do not help their own cause these days, starting with their behavior.

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AZPaul3
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Message 868 of 895 (911869)
07-29-2023 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 867 by Phat
07-29-2023 1:47 PM


Re: Premature Conclusions
Lets start with Ukraine. How has religion fueled that war?
Why the Russian Orthodox Church Supports the War in Ukraine
quote:
When Russia invaded Ukraine, the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) did not hesitate to throw its support behind the Kremlin’s war against a neighboring Orthodox nation. Far from wavering, that support has only grown more strident as the war progressed.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 869 of 895 (911870)
07-29-2023 2:14 PM
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07-28-2023 7:59 AM


Re: Premature Conclusions
AZAnti writes:
Phat, theism IS from the minds of others. That is the only place it resides.
I disagree. When I became a believer, it was not because I believed what others told me. I hardly knew them and would not have chosen to hang out with them. I was not fooled into accepting something(someOne) that did not appear to be real as real. I FELT AND EXPERIENCED THE CHANGE. The change was subtle the first day but was absolutely a 180 degree turn the next day. Perhaps the main difference between myself and many of you is that I did not question it. Why should I? I felt better than I had for many many years. Had my church at that time been openly political, I would have seen through that charade. What they taught was that a relationship with a higher power was personal and real.
Recently , I have lost a lot of that. It has made me a cranky person. I think I am like an adult child, rebelling against old age and refusing to take responsibility for my inner growth.
Ironically, a bunch of atheists and secular humanists helped. Even though few of you believe that Jesus is alive and real, you caused me to think it out for myself. Time will tell where I end up.

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Phat
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Message 870 of 895 (911871)
07-29-2023 2:19 PM
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07-29-2023 2:14 PM


Bless this AK-47 and may its bullets ring true
All that that old orthodox priest is doing is ritualistically blessing the guns. I suppose that it could be inferred that the message was that killing the enemy was ok with God. Those soldiers would do the same thing Priest or no Priest, however. Perhaps they just needed assurance that God would accept them despite their profession. Would you rather have drones or heartless zombies killing you?

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