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AZPaul3
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Message 878 of 895 (911965)
08-05-2023 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 875 by Morbus O'Somebody
08-03-2023 12:33 PM


Demands Be Damned
You don't seem to be making any coherent statement about war and religion apart from the assertion that warmakers often attempt to justify wars on religious grounds.
Then you are missing the major issue. Religious thinking, twisted and fanciful and fake, is so instilled in society that appeals to kill on religious grounds, whether specifically stated in the articles of war or not, have been fantastically successful in prosecuting war.
Vietnam is a sore point. I was there, in country. I was also there at home both before and after my tour where the conservative law-and-order anti-commie crowd waved their flags and their crosses and held community prayer vigils assuring the nation god will grant us victory. If you were there at that time the nation was all Vietnam and god. Billy Graham in the Oval Office. Evil incarnate.
Don't you lie to me telling me Vietnam was not religiously, immorally, maintained by the church. I was there. I lived the god damn fucking reality. And yes, Nam was that bad and, yes, I am that scarred.
The fact is that religion is all about the personal and communal construction of meaning. It's a way of life, not just a suite of claims about the world that you affirm on a provisional basis.
How wonderfully apologetic for absurd thinking. It makes you feel good. Makes you happy in life. Basing your life's meaning on a lie. I won't tell you are not going to heaven.
I am not concerned by the little old woman who feels warm and fuzzy huddled in her Jesus blanket. I'll fetch her a hot toddy and kiss her on the forehead. I am concerned by the movers and shakers, the priests and popes, that lead the organized religions into these evils. We can leave granny out of this.
It's not because we're right and religious people are wrong.
Of course it is. Between fantasy and reality only one of them is right.
You're just telling us you've been defining it in the most puerile, reductive way conceivable and you demand that everyone else take your tendentious definition at face value.
Idiot. I demand nothing. I can't demand anything. The religionist demands society act in accordance with their creed. The apologist demands to be held on equal footing with the priest.
I teach. I spout. I demand not a damn thing. I can't even demand that you read my missives. What the hell good is demand?
What I do is I cite three major issues I find with religion. Let's go through them.
Religion requires a belief in the supernatural. Do you dispute this?
I'm not talking the Sunday Socialite out for some social bonding. I'm talking the priests, the laymen, the acolytes, the pious masses that fill the pews every service. I am talking the true believer. Religion requires the believer to accept the supernatural as real. Example: you must believe in the afterlife and the power of god to take you there.
And in believing so the priest has established his precedents for disconnecting from reality. There is no longer a distinction. Fantasy and reality fold into one.
Religion requires the believer to act in accordance with the fantasy. Do you dispute this?
You must face east to pray and you must eat the cracker. Do onto others. Do not suffer a witch to live. The others must repent of their original sin or have it burned from their souls. In practice through the millennia it was not the believer deciding the action but the priests, and beneath god's holy banner you obeyed.
Finally, the combination of these two, the requirement to believe the fantasy and the requirement to act within the fantasy, has caused no end of evil for the human species.
The history of religion and religious action is filled with violent bloodshed and death. More so than any other philosophical structure ever devised. Do you dispute this?
By discarding reality for fantasy the priests easily justify the blood, the war, to a blind populous that accepts this as authorized by god. That is evil.
So, what is your apologists view of the evil that is religion?

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AZPaul3
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Message 879 of 895 (911966)
08-05-2023 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 876 by Morbus O'Somebody
08-03-2023 1:49 PM


Science doesn't just "discover" things in some random way,
random way? WTF?
Science discovers. It does not make political or social policy. You are reaching well out of your depth. When you look at history, and present society, religion, which does make political and social policy, is neck deep in using all the tech out there. Science presents tools. Societies make use, and weaponsize those tools. And religion is right down there with the rest us apes.
You can't separate what we know about atomic energy from the deliberate and costly process that created the knowledge, or the geopolitical context that motivated its creation.
Yeah, ya can and yeah, we do. My knowledge of physics is not the moral cause for you wanting and using a bomb.

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AZPaul3
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Message 881 of 895 (912427)
09-01-2023 9:38 AM


Accurate Art
I find this to be symbolically significant.

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Message 883 of 895 (912457)
09-03-2023 3:34 AM
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09-02-2023 10:21 AM


Re: Accurate Art
Cookie monster on the head and that toilet seat halo.

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AZPaul3
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Message 885 of 895 (912459)
09-03-2023 5:49 AM
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09-03-2023 5:04 AM


Re: Accurate Art
As with all religious thought the interpretations of whatever images may appear to your mind are personal. FSM is as significant as cookie monster. I do not judge. Ramen.

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AZPaul3
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Message 887 of 895 (912870)
10-05-2023 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 886 by Phat
10-04-2023 7:02 PM


Re: To Wit:
I don't think that modern belief is that harmful to future generations.
Judging from the exceptional harm already inflicted on this species by the mind-bending influences of religion I will vehemently disagree. You are what you do and religion, especially yours, have done, and continue to do, the most insidious bloody evil in this world.
I can see no reason in any of your creeds to warrant a decrease in vigilance. Your religions were bloody evil then. They are bloody evil now. They will be bloody evil until we are rid of them ... excised from the collective consciousness of humanity.
At worst, it is better than the secular-based wokeness pervading modern thought.
Says a voice from a fascist internet echo chamber.
What wokeness is pervading modern thought? You heard this proclaimed on a conservative "we hate everything" video, right? They had to describe what this wokeness was didn't they? But they didn't, did they?
Oh they may have dragged out some "secular-based liberal college girls" views on toxic masculinity and drag queens followed by some toothy preacher spouting the christian-right's holy response with a righteous anger and the sharp gesticulations of a revival preacher from pre-war Berlin ... complete with the mustache.
So, Phat, where is this wokeness? How do you or your sources define this lurking boogyman? See the rainbow, hate the rainbow?

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Message 891 of 895 (913173)
10-15-2023 3:47 AM


Not Approriate
Couldn't resist.

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