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Tangle Member Posts: 9580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.6 |
=Phat writes: What makes you an optimist? You think I'm an optimist? Believing the world will not end tomorrow is not being optimistic.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
'm glad that you at least admitted that humans---not religion was the problem. What is the difference? None. Remember who your priests are.
you seem to think that booting religion and belief in God out of our heads will absolve that conflict Where the fuq you keep putting bullshit words in my mouth, son! Without the inflamed passion of majikal thinking things could certainly go a long way towards that end but to think religion alone is the cause of human evil is almost right but not quite.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Hypothetically, what would you do if the majik was real? How would you respond if "the Priest" was beyond those stars that made you think?
Would you then be angry at such a "Priest" for allowing evil? Or would you simply go about your business, convinced that you had to be delusional and that there was no logical way the hypothesis could be real? Edited by Phat, : Added thoughts
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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A consultant on the news made an interesting point. Hamas' attacks could have been to undermine negotiations for cooperation between Israel and Arab countries (I recall mention of Saudi Arabia) by forcing Israel into retaliatory actions that could turn into a religious matter. He pointed out that religious matters leave no room for compromise.
So the problem with religion is not any inherent evil, but rather that religion can be so readily weaponized for evil and has been (and still is) weaponized far too often. We could construct analogies involving dynamite, C4, or even nukes that can be put to constructive use if handled properly, but are far too easy to be used for evil.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Hypothetically, what would you do if ... What if ... What if ... What if I were the Emperor of the Earth, Emperor AzPaul the Oneth. Would I burn down all the churches, temples, synagogues, mosques, cathedrals, tabernacles, sanctums, basilicas and like that? Since neither my nor your scene is going to come to fruition there is no utility in fantasising either.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Israel,stunned by an attack that their elite intelligence failed to see coming, is bound and determined to eliminate Hamas as a legitimate government and leave no room for negotiation.
dwise1 writes: Hamas' attacks could have been to undermine negotiations for cooperation between Israel and Arab countries (I recall mention of Saudi Arabia) by forcing Israel into retaliatory actions that could turn into a religious matter. He pointed out that religious matters leave no room for compromise. In this case, religion need not be invoked in order to justify the Israeli response. Hamas started this particular battle. It was they who were yelling Allahu Akbar (God is Great) as they prepared to slaughter as many people as they could. The Israelis interviewed are angry to be sure but the explanation is that Israel is a country of basic principles whereas Hamas showed themselves to be little more than animals. Critics might point out, however, that the attack was too sophisticated for animals to carry out and that the elite Mossad was fooled. Neither side is rational, but Israel currently has the moral high ground. (Certainly, the UN does not!)
Israel wants 1.1 million Gazans to move in next 24 hours, says UN BBC: The UN is seemingly NOT Pro Israel and some suggest that the global consensus leans more the other way. Apart from the charismaniacs who are strongly pro-Israel (and pro-Trump) the US likely will allow the Israeli response to continue up to a point. When Israel first became a nation, and still currently in the Hamas charter is the edict to eliminate Israel totally. In contrast, Israel is giving the Palestinians a way out. Ditch Hamas and let them pay for their crime.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined:
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Phat writes:
I think you mean the netherworld of evangelical so-called Christianity. If that fake brand of Christianity gets any prophesy right it will only be by accident.
In the netherworld of Christian Apologetics, a war between Russia and Israel has been talked about for many years. You are right in that Russia is behind this. It has been prophesied and is now happening.
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Percy Member Posts: 22941 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Phat writes: Israel,stunned by an attack that their elite intelligence failed to see coming, is bound and determined to eliminate Hamas as a legitimate government and leave no room for negotiation. Hamas, as the details of their recent incursions into Israel made abundantly clear, is a terrorist organization that is also the dominant political force in the Palestinian territories. In a way, Hamas, as well as Fatah and Hezbollah, are the creation of Israel. They only exist in their current form as mostly military organizations opposed to Israel's existence because Israel inflicts unending suffering and hardship on Palestinians, which only perpetuates an unending cycle of violence. Just as the Serbs and Croatians fight battles over wrongs from centuries ago, the Israelis and the Palestinians are marching down a similar path. Who would find it surprising if in 2452 when Israel punishes Gaza yet again that they cite as one of their reasons the Hamas incursion of several centuries before in 2023?
Neither side is rational, but Israel currently has the moral high ground. Israel's moral ground couldn't be lower.
The UN is seemingly NOT Pro Israel and some suggest that the global consensus leans more the other way. I don't know what the consensus at the UN is, but Palestinians in Israel are treated in a manner not all that dissimilar from black Americans living under Jim Crow laws and southern prejudice. I'm sure we all have wonderfully warm feelings for the Israelis who cannot even treat Palestinians as if they were human. It is wrong that the most influential Palestinian organizations want Israel to cease to exist, but Israel is the strongest power in the Middle East because of the luck of history, not because of any moral high ground. If the fall of the Ottoman Empire hadn't led to Britain ruling the Middle East in the years before WWII, and if Britain's history didn't make it far more familiar with Jews than with Arabs and Palestinians, Jews would never have been able to carve out the Israeli homeland. Might does not make right, as Israel's many moral wrongs can attest. If any single individual is responsible for the Hamas attack on Israel it is Benjamin Netanyahu. His hard line stance on Palestinians made their situation intolerable. The answer is not ever greater security and ever increasing military power. The answer is to make peace with their neighbors, and that work begins at home by treating Palestinians as human beings. Israel is not our ally because we admire their morality and humanity. They are our ally because they occupy a strategic location in the Middle East. A less moral and humane ally we could not have. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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Percy writes: I think it's more similar to the way the American Indians were treated. Imagine if the UN told the U.S. that they were giving the Indians New Hampshire and that everyone had to move to make way for them. Would anyone in New Hampshire object? I don't know what the consensus at the UN is, but Palestinians in Israel are treated in a manner not all that dissimilar from black Americans living under Jim Crow laws and southern prejudice. I'm sure we all have wonderfully warm feelings for the Israelis who cannot even treat Palestinians as if they were human.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Has anyone noticed how the Ukraine war has dropped from the media? In the West, with the media goes the attention. With the attention goes the interest and with the interest goes the money. How fortunate for Putin's failing efforts. The master strategist may not have much of an army but he has big fuckin balls. Also waiting for the flood of Exodus showings about to come up.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Yes. I have no doubt that Putin is somehow involved. Perhaps through his ally Iran.
It has been established that Biden's 6.5 billion dollar repayment to Iran did NOT get spent on arming Hamas. That leaves Putin and his bankroll. Or Iran. Or both. We humans are our own worst enemy at times. Hopefully, Israel won't enrage the rest of the Islamic world by overreacting to what is an admittedly gruesome attack.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2339 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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It has been established that Biden's 6.5 billion dollar repayment to Iran did NOT get spent on arming Hamas.
fuck you're stupid. It was Iran's money that they earned from selling oil to South Korea. It has been sitting in a monitored bank account in Qatar. It was not a "repayment by Biden"It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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It was an allowed release of funds that the West controlled through sanctions. It was a concession. S. Korea is our ally...not Irans. Where did you earn your doctorate? Woke University??
Even Harvard is so liberal that it is on Palestines side even after this atrocious attack.So is BLM. As Percy said, neither side is moral at this point.
BBC: This hardline approach is likely NOT ordained, but Israel does not negotiate with terrorists.
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Percy writes: From the day Israel was (re)created, opponents sought to eliminate them. After this most recent attack, I would think that "unending suffering and hardship" are inflicted by both sides. The only difference between Israeli citizens and Palestinian citizens is the level of prosperity. In a way, Hamas, as well as Fatah and Hezbollah, are the creation of Israel. They only exist in their current form as mostly military organizations opposed to Israel's existence because Israel inflicts unending suffering and hardship on Palestinians, which only perpetuates an unending cycle of violence. And just as in America with "the blacks" reparations are NOT the solution. To be fair, Israel should allow the Palestinians to earn their way as do their own Jewish population, but handouts are never the answer. Israel won't ever forget the 4 wars between 1948 and 1973. Israel should treat the Palestinians with decency and dare I say love (as their God commands them) but it takes time to regain trust. This is true of both sides. And these skirmishes only keep setting that progress back.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1530 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
...Israel inflicts unending suffering and hardship on Palestinians, Not to start an argument, (though there will probably be one ) how does Israel do that? I'm referring to pre-October 7th, and all past times of relative peace in that area, what specific ways does Israel inflict this? I'm not seeing references to this on the news, including the mainstream news. It seems like aoc and her allies, (who are darlings of the mainstream media) would lay out the details of this, and the news would clearly describe it. I'm not seeing it.
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