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Message 2 of 378 (913004)
10-08-2023 9:36 AM
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10-08-2023 9:29 AM


You do realize this new conflict is a distraction? The Russians have been trying to open a new front to distract the West from Ukraine. The master strategist may hide in his bunker but he still has friends.

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Message 5 of 378 (913020)
10-08-2023 9:06 PM
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10-08-2023 3:45 PM


Re: Christian Apologetics and Israel
It has been prophesied and is now happening.
“Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. I am against you."
And in that region of the heavens he will array his army: the king himself will lead his elite Hippo-vultures in the clouds on the right wing, 80,000 strong; his other cavalry, mounted on giant birds with wings like lettuce leaves, hold the left. The Moon's stalwart infantry will hold the center, posted on the spider web and will deploy Millet-launchers and Garlic-fighters, and his light-armed Flea-archers and Wind-runners, whose long tunics carry them about like sailboats in the fierce winds of the celestial realm.
Repent! The End is neigh!

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Message 12 of 378 (913115)
10-11-2023 12:20 PM
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10-11-2023 11:37 AM


Re: It All Started With the Nakba
AZPaul3 has stated that religion is a great evil that must be vanquished from the world before there is true peace.
Oh god. What bs. Yes, religion is a great evil. But getting rid of it will not usher in world peace. We're dealing with humans, here. Without the lies of religion there may be less subterfuge in the motivations for war but war there will be.
Good god, Phatman, I wish you would learn to comprehend what you read.

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Message 17 of 378 (913123)
10-11-2023 5:39 PM
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10-11-2023 2:39 PM


Re: It All Started With the Nakba
'm glad that you at least admitted that humans---not religion was the problem.
What is the difference? None. Remember who your priests are.
you seem to think that booting religion and belief in God out of our heads will absolve that conflict
Where the fuq you keep putting bullshit words in my mouth, son!
Without the inflamed passion of majikal thinking things could certainly go a long way towards that end but to think religion alone is the cause of human evil is almost right but not quite.

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Message 20 of 378 (913126)
10-12-2023 12:05 AM
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10-11-2023 9:00 PM


Re: It All Started With the Nakba
Hypothetically, what would you do if ...
What if ... What if ...
What if I were the Emperor of the Earth, Emperor AzPaul the Oneth. Would I burn down all the churches, temples, synagogues, mosques, cathedrals, tabernacles, sanctums, basilicas and like that?
Since neither my nor your scene is going to come to fruition there is no utility in fantasising either.

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Message 25 of 378 (913143)
10-13-2023 3:02 PM


Has anyone noticed how the Ukraine war has dropped from the media? In the West, with the media goes the attention. With the attention goes the interest and with the interest goes the money. How fortunate for Putin's failing efforts. The master strategist may not have much of an army but he has big fuckin balls. Also waiting for the flood of Exodus showings about to come up.

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Message 38 of 378 (913172)
10-15-2023 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by marc9000
10-14-2023 9:01 PM


Re: It All Started With the Nakba
Biden is falling all over himself in his support for Israel.
Is that what you call standing up and stating in no uncertain terms his support? Is that what you call the restructuring of our forces in the area? You think that's "falling all over" for something?
Some would consider that looking the arab world straight in the eye and saying, "Make my day, Punk!"
Your link referenced that, but didn't seriously criticize him for it.
Why should they?
The political left in this country has a disdain for Israel, largely because of the Judeo-Christian morality Israel has traditionally represented, ...
Judeo-Christian morality is the evil poison your religions used to create this bloody inhumane situation. Judeo-Christian morality is responsible for these crimes and deserves all disdain for all time.
... and because of Israel's free markets.
The stupid burns.
Hey, uh, marc? This is BS. They are Keynesian just like the rest of the world.
Why is it so politically incorrect for them to shout it from the rooftops, similar to the way they do for their constant Trump hate?
Come on, marc. Hating on Trump is closer to home. It also has a more compelling reason to it. We're trying to keep you fascists from the oval office. That's a priority.

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Message 41 of 378 (913182)
10-15-2023 11:16 AM
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10-15-2023 10:38 AM


Re: Free Palestine How?
Did it ever occur to anyone that Keynes was wrong?
No.
How is a nation going to trade with others so as to guarantee an even exchange?
Maybe a marketplace? How about a mercantile exchange floor?
What can Palestine do to become free?
Kill Israel.
What commodity do they have to trade with?
70 years of Israeli occupation and all that has been allowed to Palestine is segregation, war and pain. None of those export very well. Besides, all imports/exports to/from Palestine must, by militarily enforced law, be routed through and approved (taxed) by Israel.
Palestine's economy these last 70 years is a direct result of Israeli design and enforcement. As is their political state. Three generations of direct overt oppression and you wonder why the Palestinians are so pissed?

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Message 44 of 378 (913189)
10-15-2023 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by marc9000
10-15-2023 8:17 PM


Re: It All Started With the Nakba
The big difference is that the arab world would have taken a Republican seriously, instead of laughing at Biden.
The whole world has been laughing at Trump, literally, since his first UN speech.
Because of what Percy said about Israel being a terrible country? Because of Theodoric's link calling Israel a terrible country? Because of current protests at some college campuses in the U.S that support Hamas? Because of what YOU said about Judeo Christian morality being evil?
These are facts, marc. Israel IS an oppressive government. Israel IS a terrible religious régime like Iran. That's not Biden's doing but Netanyahu's. Criticizing Biden for Israel's evil is damn stupid, marc.
And I see you want to blame Biden for Americans expressing themselves as is our constitutional right. Oh, that's right, you're a Trump fascist and the constitution is your enemy.
Also, cry as you might, you cannot blame Biden, call for any criticism of Biden, for my observations on religious immorality. You're not paying attention to the reality of this discussion. Your scattershot observations are bogus.
Regardless of your feigned snowflake concerns, marc, the fact is Israel is fucking evil in a region of absolute evil and we need the ally in the area. Fuck morality. Larger global concerns rule where the oil is.
Is the blind loyalty to Biden far worse than the mainstream media claims about the "cult" of blind loyalty to Trump?
We have seen your blind loyalty to Trump in the face of the greatest stupidity of a bungled issurrection directed from the oval office itself. You sided with insurgency. You are not American. You are a fascist trumpette.
You are much, much worse. Rather than supporting the USofA in deciding among ugly alternatives, you burn the flag in front of our enemies because our actual legally elected president is not the one you wanted.
And it doesn't matter what decision is made. You piss on our flag because a democrat is deciding. Poor snowflake.
Yet if Biden expresses support for Israel, you're fine with that?
Of course, fool.
The geopolitical realities of the new world order will be served. The USofA needs the presence and strength of an ally in that area where all the oil is. Israel, as disgusting as their domestic policies are to the world's humanism, is that ally.
Hating on Trump is closer to home. It also has a more compelling reason to it.
More than securing the southern border?
Gee, let me think here. Defending the democracy of our nation from a direct insurrection by a domestic oligarch or go to Texas and put up an ineffective fence. Decisions, decisions.
Marc, you're an idiot.
Hamas is probably already here in large numbers.
So are the taliban, Russian SVR RF, mossad, Taylor Swift fans ...
What are you afraid of, marc? Reality? Your scarmonger doesn't work here.
But you should really try to learn what words actually mean.
quote:
from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
Fascist
noun A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
noun A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
noun Oppressive, dictatorial control.
Trump republicans. Marc9000. Un-Americans. Fascists.
Yep, fits well.

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Message 48 of 378 (913196)
10-16-2023 5:54 PM
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10-16-2023 3:22 PM


Re: War Update from BBC
Taiwan is a bit nervous also. Imagine a third front opening there...while our navy is busy backing Israel!
The US navy backing Israel involves 2 aircraft carriers, the Ford and the Eisenhower. That leaves us only 9 more. Your concerns are childish.
I think that the US military-industrial complex is feeding the wars. Is this true?
I don't think the world's arms makers are upset by the Ukraine action. The terrain is wonderful for testing, in live action, the latest conventional weapons, especially the latest drone tech. Gaza, not so much. Too constricted in area and not conducive to the kinds of tests the new technology seeks. Too many damn civilians.
But, there are wars on and manufactured weapons are quite popular with modern militaries and insurgent movements. The arms makers will not complain about the additional sales.

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Message 50 of 378 (913201)
10-16-2023 10:23 PM
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10-16-2023 7:01 PM


Re: War Update from BBC
Hypothetically we should be able to fight and win any conventional (non-nuclear) world war.
If supply were the only key then yeah we win. But these last 60 years has taught us that it's not the numbers of bombs but what you do with them that matters. The Ukrainians taught that to the Russians. The USofA has been through that mill many times but it appears we're too stupid to learn.
We're going to get sucked into another wasp nest, aren't we?

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Message 54 of 378 (913212)
10-17-2023 9:09 PM
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10-17-2023 8:39 PM


Re: War Update from BBC
If the Gaza strip is nothing more than a large open air prison, why wont any other country nearby, non Jewish, give the Palestinians a more humane place to live?
Do you think we could get Nicaragua to take the Sioux Nation out of the Dakotas?
Do you think the Sioux would resent your taking away the last of their dignity?
Hey, here's an idea, let Israel be partitioned into small tent-city enclaves and give all the rest of Palestine back to her people.

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Message 57 of 378 (913217)
10-18-2023 1:28 AM
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10-17-2023 9:42 PM


Re: War Update from BBC
Israel was there first.
The reality of history says otherwise.
Besides, the United States would never go against Israel.
If you elect Trump that may change.
Trump's turn against Israel offers stark reminder of what his diplomacy looks like | CNN Politics

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Message 84 of 378 (913286)
10-21-2023 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by GDR
10-21-2023 2:39 PM


Re: War Update from BBC
It is hard to be optimistic.
Indeed it is.
In the months before the Russo-inspired Hamas attacks there was the usual death toll of 20+- Palestinians killed in Gaza and West Bank each month. These deaths each month every month for decades are in the background and don't count. This latest action will kill many more in a shorter time. Thousands of people will die. Ultimately, though, as the last 60 years of history have shown, things will settle down and get back to the usual attrition of 20+- Palestinians each month.
Despite what happens nothing will change for the Palestinian people. Israel's long-term ethnic cleansing process will continue.

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Message 86 of 378 (913290)
10-21-2023 4:20 PM
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10-21-2023 3:54 PM


Re: War Update from BBC
Why can't the Palestinians simply move?
Have you asked them why? Have you ever read anything from the Palestinians?
Maybe it's because, after urbanization, their camel's don't work anymore.
"wHy cAn't ThE pAlesTinIaNs siMpLy MoVe?"
You insensitive hypocritical SOB. Why don't you give up your home and go beg scraps? Shades of jar discussions.

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