Israel Declares War For The First Time Since 1973.

My judgement, or lack thereof, has nothing to with the fact that Israel is an overlord installed by Britain and the USofA based on millennia-old religious claims. It was not their land to give. To insist there were legitimate reasons, some lame excuses to destroy a society in place of another, is revisionist bullshit.Like the Ukrainians, Palestine has been fighting their subjugation by the invasion of a hostile outside power. Except Palestine has been doing so for near 70 years as the world watches an entire society being slowly ethnically cleansed out of existence. Yes, indeed. That is a major part of the problem. You use reasoning and deadly force from religious fantasy to disrupt and disorder entire societies without regard for the reality. The result, Phat, has been more of the blood evil your religion forces onto humanity.So how is your religion/spiritual legend working out for the mid-east? Bloodshed. Evil and bloodshed. Nothing but war, evil and bloodshed.The guidance of your religion has produced the only fruit it can. Evil. Do you feel righteous? Do you feel victorious?

My 'party' is humanity, Phat. What irks me is that your religion created this atrocity and now seeks to shed more blood with it. I can see the religious evil spewing from my TV.The Palestinian people will suffer more devastation now and more repressive cleansing when this war is over. No one will cry. No one will care. They are of no value. Your evil will continue.

Why do you have the need to embarrass yourself and continually play the fool? You need professional help. Or are you one of the great trolls of all time?

History is full of tales of brilliant men of enormous accomplishment who as they grow older seem to inexplicably divert down senseless paths. Ken Chesebro, who once worked for Al Gore's campaign, is a very recent example. Fred Hoyle would have won a Nobel Prize for his astrophysical work if he hadn't so embarrassingly clung to ideas about a static universe and later pursued creationism (the OEC variety).I think people's minds lead them whither they will and that people have no choice but to follow helplessly along. I'm sure we all hope we're one of the ones who get to maintain sense and rationality as we age.--Percy

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Israel says it's targeting Hamas infrastructure, including tunnels, with 320 targets hit in a day

Israel's defense minister says the campaign could take "one month, two months, three months... at the end there will be no more Hamas"

He also hints at a ground attack - but says before Hamas "meets our tanks and our infantry, they will know the shells from our air force"

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Agreed, but Israel was historically on that site for a long time. Some of us believe that those religious claims are valid. You mean Britain and the U.S.? OK...I see your reasoning...but it happened. The Middle East has been in constant bickering ever since. You can complain about the reasons all you want but religion is here to stay. If the planet gets blown up because of humans, it wont just be religion that is the problem. Whether you have religious reasons or not, one group of humans in power will decide things that another group, country, or ethnic group disagrees with. That has been going on as long as we have had recorded History. Some time in the future, perhaps China will be deciding who has the most right to stay somewhere. The US won't like it. You obviously are against Jesus Christ, what with being an anti theist and all. Hamas is no less guilty than the Israeli military. The million dollar question is whether Hamas can be rooted out of Gaza. You cant expect Israel to simply turn the other cheek after what happened can you?For balance, lets see what Al-Jazeera news has to say:

Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammed Shtayyeh has accused Western nations of giving Israel a “licence to kill” in its war against Gaza.

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“We condemn the statements that constitute a licence to kill and give Israel political cover to commit massacres and spread destruction in Gaza,” he said.

Who?

Why do you keep repeating this same mistake over and over again. Non-Christians and atheists are not "against Jesus Christ." Believing there was never any such person as Jesus Christ is no different than believing there was never any such person as Robin Hood. Non-believers in Robin Hood are no more "against Robin Hood" than non-believers in Jesus Christ are "against Jesus Christ." How much sense would it make to be against someone you believe fictional?Even severe criticisms of Christianity do not mean that one is "against Christianity." Issuing criticisms does make one against something. For example, all the recent criticisms of the House of Representatives do not mean people are "against the House of Representatives," so why should it be assumed that criticizing Christianity means one is "against Christianity."There are definitely things people are against. Many people are against dictatorships, abortion, budget deficits and genocide, but people are not often against things they believe fictional. Were zombies and vampires real I would definitely be against them, but they're not. And neither is Jesus Christ.--Percy

And the idiocy continues. Just stop.

I think that Christian wrong idea comes from one of Jesus' first false dichotomies:

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Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that
gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

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In their thinking, there is no neutral middle ground; either you are with Jesus Christ or you are against him. No room for the vast majority of "who cares?". Strict black-or-white thinking that ignores the seas of gray in between.Yet another case of Christians rejecting reality. By their own logic, since they are not with reality then they are against reality.

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"Reality. What a concept!" -- Robin Williams at the Roxy (HBO special, c. 1980) 

Let's extend that quote a bit.

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Matthew 12:30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.

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When you read further it isn't about what we give intellectual assent to. It is about what we base our life on. Do we live our life on the message of the Holy Spirit, which is at it's core is the Golden Rule, or do we live a life that focuses on the self even at the expense of others.You are doing what a lot of fundamentalists do by pulling one verse out of the Bible without context and using as a proof text.

As they say (eg, SS-Standartenführer Hans Landa): "To hunt a weasel, you need to think like a weasel."In order to understand why fundamentalists say the strange things that they do, you have to understand how they think. That means that instead of reading their "sources" correctly and in context, you need to follow their incorrect and out-of-context reading.Re-reading what I had written, you will notice that I had qualified that as "in their thinking."Though there is the added complication that they don't think about what they believe, but rather they just accept without comprehension what they are told to believe. It is difficult to analyze thought processes that never take place.

Yeh right. God is supposed to be forgiveness. Just don't fuck with the Holy Spirit because he doesn't do that forgiveness stuff. Well fuck the Holy Spirit.You can't believe this fantasy stuff, surely?

Variations of the above one-liner is largely typical of your responses to Phat. Your idiocy continues. Please stop - You are irritating the Amoose.Adminnemooseus

You have often mentioned relationship with the heart of Jesus rather than some intellectual data or religious dogma. You have also objected to religion (Biblianity) vs relationship with the character of Jesus. Lets go with this premise a bit.AZPaul3 assumes that all religion is evil to the core. Many of the peanut gallery, while not siding with him, mention Israel as the aggressor and the Palestinians as victims. I can fully see their argument. Televised TV images are powerful and compelling. I would argue, however, that reality does not need religion in order to be cruel to our fellow man. Jews and Christians are not alike in one way. Jews are Jewish by ethnicity and can choose whether or not to be Jewish by profession of belief. Christians are not Christian by ethnicity, so we are essentially people of every tribe tongue and nation who have chosen to profess belief in Jesus Christ.When everyone on this forum sees Phat behaving horribly, they challenge his(my) profession...and quite rightly so. They cant challenge my ethnicity. I am not behaving badly because I am a WASP. When Israel(Jews) behave badly, it is not because of the profession of Judaism. As I have said before, some are atheists. They are, however, still Jews and are united due to a national identity and not (at this time) a religious identity.

Most people dont give spirits a second glance. After all, the concept is more of a vibe than an observable reality. The Holy Spirit prompts the hearts and minds of all people to forgive and reflect. You can ignore Him if you choose, but be aware that other spirits will cling on to you that you also cant see. Your behavior will herald their possible presence. Would it make a difference if I did?