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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
That was an interesting yet sobering article. Before, in Ukraine, it was the West vs the Russian bully. Now, it is seemingly the globally marginalized versus a genocidal West. This is not good.
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Percy writes: Let's get one thing clear. Israel will NEVER cease to exist. They have over 100 Nukes and would not hesitate to use them if their existence were threatened. We must tell Israel in no uncertain terms and in a way the whole world can hear that we cannot support them while they are committing war crimes. The loss of Israel would be a serious blow. Israel helps anchor our presence in the Middle East and has been a net positive for our foreign policy in the region. ADD BY EDIT: BBC: I don't see only Israel as the villain, even though due to a masterful propaganda campaign, Hamas is portraying itself as the victim. This latest move is calculated to enrage Israel and at the same time garner more public global support for Hamas, who are terrorists pure and simple. If any charges of war crimes are to be leveled, they will be shared by both sides. Hamas uses civilian casualties to further their cause. I fully agree with Israel at this point. hamas should be totally eliminated. This is war. It is not some bleeding heart game of "be nice and play fair". And World War III will likely erupt from this. Sad to say.The problem is only growing. Edited by Phat, .
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Lest anyone think that the media is not embroiled in a propaganda war, note the following reports from Al Jazeera.
As Israel pounds Gaza, BBC journalists accuse broadcaster of bias Al Jazeera:The media is supposed to be unbiased, right? I feel that Israel is not the sole villain. They are killing civilians in excessive amounts, but they may feel that in many cases it is the only way to also kill the Hamas fighters hiding among them. And I feel that Hamas knows this. They know what they are doing and how it will play out in public opinion. Hamas is an ideological symbol and its leaders include the common people as part of Hamas. Hamas is like a cancer. In order to target the cancer, the patient is also weakened. Does anyone expect Israel to abandon their plan to eliminate Hamas?
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
As I pause to read what I have written, I realize that I am reacting emotionally to media coverage rather than responding rationally. This war is frustrating, but in a larger context, I see a parallel with my reaction (earlier) to the shoplifters. To be honest, I don't think that Hamas should exist any more than I think shoplifters should be allowed in the stores.
I honestly admit that my behavior is light years away from where Jesus would want me to be. At the same time, I do not think that Percy, or nwr, or Tangle is being any more Christlike by suggesting that we allow them to have their way. Percy mentioned that these wars are indirectly our wars. (US) Just as you don't cure shoplifting by giving a guy a house, you don't cure war by giving Hamas a country and rebuilding what you broke. The ideology must change.
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Neither is Israel my nor your country. Nor is Palestine.
We get mad at shoplifters because they take material goods and raise prices for everyone else. What irks me is that they have no right--no entitlement to do so. And they steal that right. Hamas took the entitlement of peace away from all of us. They use their own civilians in some higher ideological cause of freedom and entitlement to a country. They won't get it by attacking Israel, nor will shoplifters get their chance and hope by stealing.
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Israel will have to try really hard to lose this war. That fact might eventually happen in the court of public opinion. The Palestinian cause is boosted by an outstanding public relations campaign.
Percy writes: I'm against atrocities and crimes against humanity, no matter who commits them, but having atrocities committed against you doesn't give you the right to commit atrocities back. (...) Israel is its own worst enemy as it creates successive generations of terrorists through its maltreatment of the Palestinian people under its control. Only Israel can fix Israel. If they, as a people, focus on healing their national soul, they may become repentant. I agree that one must turn the other cheek in regard to the Palestinians. One question is: Who will pay to reconstruct Palestine?
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
BBC: Lets hope the truce continues until all hostages are released.
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
The truce has not been extended.
Differing reports come in about which side broke the truce, but in any war there will always be two sides. The side that Israel is on includes the United States and as a result, brands us differently than the role we played (and still play) in the War in Ukraine. We in the West are not fulfilling our duty to secure human rights in this war, and it has caused us to lose all sorts of credibility globally.
Israel has lost the war of public opinion Al Jazeera Opinion: I am not there, either as a journalist or a soldier. I am only one of many globally who form an opinion based on what the media tells us is happening. This media includes social media and footage from peoples smart phones. If there ever is a World War III, I do not want to represent the wrong side of History.
Al Jazeera: Since the United States is basically the only global power whom Israel listens to, it is our responsibility to stop the killing. Critics will say that Israel is resolved to eliminate Hamas, but it appears that this is impossible. As a matter of fact, the next generation of Hamas recruits are being birthed out of this violent conflict as we speak. The unity party needs to kick the far right out of their government. The Israeli people will only do that once they suffer "too many deaths" as Palestine now has. War is Hell. I hate this war. We all need to write our congressmen.
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
I think we should stay out of it. We should neither support nor defend either party.
Of course in today's world that is impossible. And if we backed out, Russia or Iran would quickly fill the void. As a believer in a higher power, (higher than humanity or the UN)I realize that many "believers" support Israel and many humanists support Palestine (though not Hamas). I also realize that you are a believer though not conservative nor fantasy-based. We would never go against Israel in support of Palestine. That's all I know.
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
I agree with your statement. The world demands that we pick a side. Why are there two sides in today's world?
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
It seems to be two.
One side demands group consensus and conformity for every individual and nation. The other side demands individual freedom at the expense of fairness for everyone
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
The latest BBC news on Gaza:
BBC 12/8/2023:As the death toll steadily rises, global concern intensifies. I DO believe that the IDF is not some wanton group of thugs intent on genocide. I believe that Hamas was and is so entrenched in the civilian population (which is a tool for ideological protest) that Israel won't play nice. They may end up killing the patient to extract the cancer. And the probability is high that the cancer will regrow, given the trauma that the civilian population is facing. Like Britain and the U.S., I believe that Israel is waging the war the way that it must be waged to eradicate the current cancer of Hamas. Stay tuned on what the United Nations Security Council decides.
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
I have just two questions. How is Israel going to get rid of Hamas? They have a hostile government next door to them. A two-state solution seems impossible at the current time.
Also, who is going to rebuild Gaza? It seems entrenched that Israel will insist that Hamas cannot run Palestine no matter what they want. The UN has two rogue governments to contend with.Netanyahu Hamas
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Percy writes: This is not true. Hamas is the acting government of Palestine.A government is responsible for any actions it takes. Both sides should be complicit in this particular case. The US suggested that to the UN but was unsuccessful. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a government. This whole idea of protecting only the weak is the same mentality that is wrong with defunding the police and allowing crimes against businesses to escalate. What's so wrong with condemning Hamas? You act as if they have a right to be a terrorist organization (and a government) as much as shoplifters have a right to steal.
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
I watched an informative documentary on the political entities surrounding Israel and the likely response at some point in the near future. It is quite good...it is not a hack, Percy.
JUDGE FOR YOURSELF: How the US & Iran Are Preparing to Fight Over Israel The BBC reported that just 24 hours ago, Yemen was struck hard by British and American jets. Is there any way to avoid WW III without selling Israel out?
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