Peanut Gallery Comments on Great Debate

I only brought her up to test what Raphaels response would be. Raphael is a 7th-day Adventist Pastor in training yet he is more in touch with Adventist youth and moderate thinking than is Pastor ICANT who is more conservative. ICANT is admittedly learning on the job from EvC in regards to scientific Cosmology and is not educated in this realm, though I think he has historically gotten a hard time here at the forum. The members here are decidedly leaning towards atheism and secular humanism and don't have any tolerance for religious philosophies. I am curious if Raphael is a Young Earth Creationist as it seems that 7th Day Adventists traditionally were. For the record, I respect ICANT for *not* being a YEC and for being able to hold a decent discussion using scripture. I realize that his scientific knowledge is far from complete, though this is true with all three of us. In short, my question was directed at Raphael alone.I *do* empathize with your bad memories of your ex-wife and share your pain at the premature death of your precious son. I also respect your lucid and informative posts on a variety of topics. You are a well-read and pleasant conversationalist and I don't find you difficult to understand at all. You have had quite a bit of life experience, David.It is people such as you that make EvC a comfortable place to hang out.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

This is logical. To be honest, the only evidence that I have regarding the possibility of demonic activity is found in videos and in personal observation. Were you with me at these events, you likely would suggest that either willful belief, mass crowd hypnosis, or confirmation bias pushed the people deeper into their beliefs.Here is a zoom video of several "deliverances". I observe that the reactions do not look staged to me, though there is most definitely no evidence of anything other than a human who believes they have a demon.

The key is finding out what the snake oil actually is. Ive known a lot of Pastors in my day as well as a lot of secular humanists. The difference between myself and the peanut gallery is that I don't need physical evidence in order to believe something. I need a person of integrity to explain it to me. And quite frankly, I'll never find out anything about God from any of you.The rest of you have drank the kool-aid of skepticism to the point where you wont even consider a hypothetical. Old jar used to claim to believe in God, but he would never discuss God on a personal level and the only three people in this whole forum whom I can do that with are ICANT, GDR and Pastor Raphael.

I don't need anyone to explain "it" to me. I already have the evidence in my heart.What I meant was that only people who understand "it" can explain "it".If you don't believe in the Christian God, you don't believe in Jesus Christ.So what is "IT" Percy? Evidence? Validation? Verification? Certainty?I would imagine that you place your faith in science. Yet without people to work it, science is never anything more than tentative information. AZProphet3 believes that "we" (the prophets of the scientific method" will continually provide better answers.Furthermore, he believes that no gods or demons exist and that metaphysical explanations carry no weight without evidence. The evidence is in your mind and heart. CIt is up to each one of us to search for a greater reality.The apologists predict that the world will someday become unified, but that the "force" running it turns out to be the bad guy. Maybe it has already happened.